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Finmandos12 · 01-02-2003, 10:33 PM

Well, its good to be back here after a year or so. I've now read most of HOME, except for the four that concern LOTR. What are those four like? Do they just concern the development of LOTR, or do they have signicant differences?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-02-2003, 11:01 PM

Hmmm, we must think alike. Those are the volumes that I don't have either.

Finmandos12 · 01-02-2003, 11:04 PM

I think that its just the very nature of LOTR compared to the Sil. The fact that LOTR was completed, it doesn't seem there would be much else to say. The Sil, on the other hand, was never really finished. That's why its more interesting to investigate to me.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-02-2003, 11:10 PM

I guess I just loved the Sil more than LotRs.

BeardofPants · 01-03-2003, 12:46 AM

I'll let you know after I've read them... which could be a while.

Falagar · 01-03-2003, 07:20 AM

It's 'Sauron Defeated', 'The War of the Ring', 'The Return of the Shadow' and 'The Treason of Isengard', right?
I haven't any of those either, but I also miss 'The Shaping of ME', which I'll buy next.
I've also been wondering about what they are like, I've always thought they were much like the others: with texts that Tolkien wrote, re-wrote, looked over once more and perhaps changed names, texts that he later trashed, etc...

Elvet · 01-03-2003, 09:19 PM

Volumes 6 to 9 of HoME were the first ones I read. Basically they showed an evolution of the full story, often many versions and rewrites. I enjoyed seeing how the characters came to be, particularly Strider, who for most of the early versions was a hobbit called Trotter. These books are full of detail, some tedious and some fascinating. They are not in themselves a story, nothing you would read without being familiar with the finished book. I say that, because the other 2 that I've read - Morgoth's Ring and the War of the Jewels seemed more like a collection of short stories.
BTW, at the same time I was reading Vol. 6 - 9 , I was also reading Tolkien's Letters. It was a good companion to those books, and I highly recommend it as an adjunct to HoME .

cassiopeia · 01-04-2003, 01:58 AM

I've read Sauron Defeated, The War of the Ring and The Treason of Isengard. Generally, it is rough drafts organised coinciding with the chapters in TLOTR. There is a lot of detail, such as notes by Christopher (like the BoLT and Morgoths Ring) and the chronology (which was a little boring for me). Some pictures of key places (like Orthanc and Cirith Ungol) are included. At the end of Sauron Defeated there is a part called The Notion Club Papers (which I skipped, as I had really no idea what this was) and some drafts concerning the drowning of Numenor.

Elvet · 01-04-2003, 01:30 PM

Thanks for reminding me, Cassiopeia. I really enjoyed the Notion Club Papers. It was a story of scholars getting together to discuss their writings, (obviously based on the Inklings) and dreams. Turns out that one (or 2) of them have dreams about a great flood destroying their cities, the gist being that they are linked to a people like the Numenoreans from their distant past. It's unfinished, but a good read anyhow.

Findegil · 01-06-2003, 08:15 AM

If you want to beging with the history of the Lord of the Ring (HoME volume 6 to 9), without the risc of buing a book that isn't intresting for you, take volume 9. There are not only the Notion Club Papers which are complet new story from your obviosly preferd autor, but there is also the Epiloge to the Lord of the Rings. I enjoied that part very much. Reading about Sam and his children playing question and answer and the talk to Eleanor - it is worth buying the book any way.

By the first part you will get some clou what the rest of the books is like (only a clou because the further you go back in the story the more rewriting ocured).

Respectfully
Findegil

Corected my wrong numbers, thanks Artanis!

Artanis · 01-06-2003, 05:00 PM

Findegil, you're talking about volume 9, not 10.

HoME 9, Sauron defeated.

Blackboar · 01-07-2003, 12:36 PM

Can I ask a question? (duh)

Which HoME book talks about the Return of the Noldor?

01-02-2003, 10:33 PM	#1
Finmandos12 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 327	HOME Questions Well, its good to be back here after a year or so. I've now read most of HOME, except for the four that concern LOTR. What are those four like? Do they just concern the development of LOTR, or do they have signicant differences? __________________ The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

01-02-2003, 11:01 PM	#2
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Hmmm, we must think alike. Those are the volumes that I don't have either. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-02-2003, 11:04 PM	#3
Finmandos12 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 327	I think that its just the very nature of LOTR compared to the Sil. The fact that LOTR was completed, it doesn't seem there would be much else to say. The Sil, on the other hand, was never really finished. That's why its more interesting to investigate to me. __________________ The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

01-02-2003, 11:10 PM	#4
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	I guess I just loved the Sil more than LotRs. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-03-2003, 12:46 AM	#5
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I'll let you know after I've read them... which could be a while. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

01-03-2003, 07:20 AM	#6
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	It's 'Sauron Defeated', 'The War of the Ring', 'The Return of the Shadow' and 'The Treason of Isengard', right? I haven't any of those either, but I also miss 'The Shaping of ME', which I'll buy next. I've also been wondering about what they are like, I've always thought they were much like the others: with texts that Tolkien wrote, re-wrote, looked over once more and perhaps changed names, texts that he later trashed, etc... __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

01-03-2003, 09:19 PM	#7
Elvet Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Orillia, Ontario Posts: 221	Volumes 6 to 9 of HoME were the first ones I read. Basically they showed an evolution of the full story, often many versions and rewrites. I enjoyed seeing how the characters came to be, particularly Strider, who for most of the early versions was a hobbit called Trotter. These books are full of detail, some tedious and some fascinating. They are not in themselves a story, nothing you would read without being familiar with the finished book. I say that, because the other 2 that I've read - Morgoth's Ring and the War of the Jewels seemed more like a collection of short stories. BTW, at the same time I was reading Vol. 6 - 9 , I was also reading Tolkien's Letters. It was a good companion to those books, and I highly recommend it as an adjunct to HoME . __________________ "But do not despise the lore that has come down from distant years; for oft it may chance that old wives keep in memory word of things that once were needful for the wise to know."

01-04-2003, 01:58 AM	#8
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I've read Sauron Defeated, The War of the Ring and The Treason of Isengard. Generally, it is rough drafts organised coinciding with the chapters in TLOTR. There is a lot of detail, such as notes by Christopher (like the BoLT and Morgoths Ring) and the chronology (which was a little boring for me). Some pictures of key places (like Orthanc and Cirith Ungol) are included. At the end of Sauron Defeated there is a part called The Notion Club Papers (which I skipped, as I had really no idea what this was) and some drafts concerning the drowning of Numenor. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

01-04-2003, 01:30 PM	#9
Elvet Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Orillia, Ontario Posts: 221	Thanks for reminding me, Cassiopeia. I really enjoyed the Notion Club Papers. It was a story of scholars getting together to discuss their writings, (obviously based on the Inklings) and dreams. Turns out that one (or 2) of them have dreams about a great flood destroying their cities, the gist being that they are linked to a people like the Numenoreans from their distant past. It's unfinished, but a good read anyhow. __________________ "But do not despise the lore that has come down from distant years; for oft it may chance that old wives keep in memory word of things that once were needful for the wise to know." Last edited by Elvet : 01-04-2003 at 01:31 PM.

01-06-2003, 08:15 AM	#10
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	If you want to beging with the history of the Lord of the Ring (HoME volume 6 to 9), without the risc of buing a book that isn't intresting for you, take volume 9. There are not only the Notion Club Papers which are complet new story from your obviosly preferd autor, but there is also the Epiloge to the Lord of the Rings. I enjoied that part very much. Reading about Sam and his children playing question and answer and the talk to Eleanor - it is worth buying the book any way. By the first part you will get some clou what the rest of the books is like (only a clou because the further you go back in the story the more rewriting ocured). Respectfully Findegil Corected my wrong numbers, thanks Artanis! Last edited by Findegil : 01-08-2003 at 07:42 AM.

01-06-2003, 05:00 PM	#11
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Findegil, you're talking about volume 9, not 10. HoME 9, Sauron defeated. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

01-07-2003, 12:36 PM	#12
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	Can I ask a question? (duh) Which HoME book talks about the Return of the Noldor?

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