Elrond's age

unregistered · 12-29-2002, 08:03 PM

Hey I was wondering what Elrond's age was when the Fellowship departed from Rivendell?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-29-2002, 08:26 PM

Hard to say, as most Elves ages are hard to figure out because there is no accurate point of reference. Elrond was born at the end of The First Age, so I would say he was probably about 3,000 years old, if not more. The First age only lasted 500 plus. It was the shortest age. I believe the Third age was the longest.

Lefty Scaevola · 12-29-2002, 08:28 PM

Around 6500 years. He was born late in the first age to Elwing and Earendil; foster raised by Maglor after the destruction of his hometown by the Feanorians who were trying to get the Silmaril that Elwing had. He spent most of the 2nd age as a Lieutenant of various positions for Gil-Galad, his third cousin once removed. He married his 2nd cousin twice removed, Celebrian.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-29-2002, 08:34 PM

Why 7,000 years?

claudia silver · 12-29-2002, 08:38 PM

According to the The Encyclopedia of Arda at:

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/

at the time of the Council of Elrond he had lived in Middle-Earth for about 6,500 years.

Search the alphabetical index for 'Elrond'

Lefty Scaevola · 12-29-2002, 08:40 PM

Made more precise to around 6500. 2nd age is 3441 years, plus most of third age 3019 (3021 minus 2) years, plus born some years, 20 to 50, before the end of the first age.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-29-2002, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by claudia silver
According to the The Encyclopedia of Arda at:

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/

at the time of the Council of Elrond he had lived in Middle-Earth for about 6,500 years.

Search the alphabetical index for 'Elrond'

I have done this in the past, and I will tell you that the Encyclopedia of Arda is not a reliable source. It isn't even updated on a regualar basis.

claudia silver · 12-29-2002, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair I will tell you that the Encyclopedia of Arda is not a reliable source

Yes they can be a bit suspect on certain subjects but I think they got it right this time.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-29-2002, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by claudia silver
Yes they can be a bit suspect on certain subjects but I think they got it right this time.

Oooookay. Doesn't make it factual.

markedel · 12-30-2002, 10:35 AM

He's at least 6420, and since he was born to Earendil he must have been born some time in the last few decades of the first age. Dating is sketchy but it has to be sometime between the fall of Doriath and the end. Does HoME have dating of the end of the first age?

claudia silver · 12-30-2002, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by markedel Does HoME have dating of the end of the first age?

In HoME vol 11 Christopher Tolkein documents the changes made to the chronology of the History of Middle-Earth, he states:

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'600 Here ends the First Age (later changed to 590)'

and

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'Elros was born 532, 58 years before the Second Age began ( this agrees with the changed date of 590)'

So this gives a birthdate for Elrond as 532 if he and Elros were twins however there is conflicting information about this in HoME vol 5. But that's another thread!

markedel · 12-30-2002, 07:05 PM

That's almost 6500, making the Encyclopedia essentially correct.

claudia silver · 12-30-2002, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by markedel That's almost 6500, making the Encyclopedia essentially correct.

I didn't attempt to work out the maths!

Lefty Scaevola · 12-30-2002, 10:40 PM

Just ead the (6 versions) of tale of the years in HoME XII, the 532 and 590 dates are the last version for their two events, but appear in different (partial) drafts.
that make 58 + 3441 + 3019 = 6498, +/-a year for cumulative rounding error.

claudia silver · 12-31-2002, 09:20 AM

Thanks Lefty, I am a bit rubbish at Maths and didn't have the time or the inclination!

samwiselvr2008 · 01-01-2003, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by claudia silver
In HoME vol 11 Christopher Tolkein documents the changes made to the chronology of the History of Middle-Earth, he states: and

So this gives a birthdate for Elrond as 532 if he and Elros were twins however there is conflicting information about this in HoME vol 5. But that's another thread!

Elrond had a twin!? What happend to him? Did he already leave ME or die? This probally needs a new thread, but...

Varda Oiolosseo · 01-01-2003, 05:46 PM

Yeah they were twins!
i read..."Elros chose to be mortal, although he was granted a life span of five centuries...At the beginning of the Second Age, Elros led the surviving Edain to Numenor and became their first King. Elros took the name of Tar Minyatur and ruled Numenor from the year 32 to 442."

You would have to check with someone else though because that may not be 100% right!

claudia silver · 01-01-2003, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by Varda Oiolosseo Yeah they were twins!

In Tolkien's very early drafts of the Downfall of Numenor Elrond was the only child of Earendel and Elwing and was the first ruler. HoME vol 5

Elros was added later after Tolkein began to further develop the Numenorean legend. I think this example really shows how the history of ME developed and was constantly changing in Tolkien's mind. Fascinating

Diaxion · 01-02-2003, 03:51 AM

I would say that he is 6,000 but the way he acts makes hime seem like his is fifty

Eothain · 01-04-2003, 03:56 PM

At least a few thousand.

12-29-2002, 08:03 PM	#1
unregistered Enting Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 85	Elrond's age Hey I was wondering what Elrond's age was when the Fellowship departed from Rivendell?

12-29-2002, 08:26 PM	#2
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Hard to say, as most Elves ages are hard to figure out because there is no accurate point of reference. Elrond was born at the end of The First Age, so I would say he was probably about 3,000 years old, if not more. The First age only lasted 500 plus. It was the shortest age. I believe the Third age was the longest. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

12-29-2002, 08:28 PM	#3
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	Around 6500 years. He was born late in the first age to Elwing and Earendil; foster raised by Maglor after the destruction of his hometown by the Feanorians who were trying to get the Silmaril that Elwing had. He spent most of the 2nd age as a Lieutenant of various positions for Gil-Galad, his third cousin once removed. He married his 2nd cousin twice removed, Celebrian. Last edited by Lefty Scaevola : 12-29-2002 at 08:37 PM.

12-29-2002, 08:34 PM	#4
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Why 7,000 years? __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

12-29-2002, 08:38 PM	#5
claudia silver Enting Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North West England Posts: 58	According to the The Encyclopedia of Arda at: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/ at the time of the Council of Elrond he had lived in Middle-Earth for about 6,500 years. Search the alphabetical index for 'Elrond' __________________ "The wolf that one hears is worse than the orc that one fears." Boromir

12-29-2002, 08:40 PM	#6
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	Made more precise to around 6500. 2nd age is 3441 years, plus most of third age 3019 (3021 minus 2) years, plus born some years, 20 to 50, before the end of the first age. Last edited by Lefty Scaevola : 12-29-2002 at 08:45 PM.

12-30-2002, 10:35 AM	#10
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	He's at least 6420, and since he was born to Earendil he must have been born some time in the last few decades of the first age. Dating is sketchy but it has to be sometime between the fall of Doriath and the end. Does HoME have dating of the end of the first age? __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

12-30-2002, 07:05 PM	#12
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	That's almost 6500, making the Encyclopedia essentially correct. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

12-30-2002, 10:40 PM	#14
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	Just ead the (6 versions) of tale of the years in HoME XII, the 532 and 590 dates are the last version for their two events, but appear in different (partial) drafts. that make 58 + 3441 + 3019 = 6498, +/-a year for cumulative rounding error.

12-31-2002, 09:20 AM	#15
claudia silver Enting Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North West England Posts: 58	Thanks Lefty, I am a bit rubbish at Maths and didn't have the time or the inclination! __________________ "The wolf that one hears is worse than the orc that one fears." Boromir

01-01-2003, 05:46 PM	#17
Varda Oiolosseo Tea Bag Queen Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 973	Yeah they were twins! i read..."Elros chose to be mortal, although he was granted a life span of five centuries...At the beginning of the Second Age, Elros led the surviving Edain to Numenor and became their first King. Elros took the name of Tar Minyatur and ruled Numenor from the year 32 to 442." You would have to check with someone else though because that may not be 100% right!

01-02-2003, 03:51 AM	#19
Diaxion Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 112	I would say that he is 6,000 but the way he acts makes hime seem like his is fifty __________________ good day

01-04-2003, 03:56 PM	#20
Eothain Enting Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 73	Elronds Age At least a few thousand. __________________ Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing? Where is the hand on the harpsting, and the red fire glowing? Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing? They have past like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow; The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning, or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning? Frodo lives

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