09-22-2002, 12:40 AM | #1 |
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Maybe it's just me, but I was always somewhat disappointed in the Ent storyline. Don't get me wrong - I love Ents (who wouldn't want an Ent in their life, although it would be hard to find a place for it), but it always seemed to me that the storyline came to a dead end. One never knows what happens to them. Indeed, one never knows what happened to the Entwives. The whole thing just sort of seemed to go nowhere. Am I wrong? Did I miss something?
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09-22-2002, 01:26 AM | #2 |
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When I think of the Ents, I imagine creatures on a totally different "time schedule". Everything they did took so long, they had been around forever. The passing of ages was a day in the life for Ents, so their story just can't be told like everyone else's. The Ents probably stood around talking about the Isengard thing for twenty centurys! Their story moves too slowly to tell! This is based on nothing but my imagination.
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09-24-2002, 09:14 PM | #3 |
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Ents do normally take a long time to do things. They don't like to be hasty, unless they are aroused. In terms of Isenguard, they were more angry than they had been in ages, so they came to their decision in a record 1 day (maybe 2.)
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09-25-2002, 12:02 AM | #4 |
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No, I think it's just another doomed and tragic storyline. Tolkien seemed to like them somewhat. I personally think it makes it more interesting that he didn't resolve it. Although in Letters he suggested that maybe the entwives were wiped out in Sauron's scorched earth policy.
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09-25-2002, 05:00 PM | #5 |
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I agree with the notion that the Ent storyline is far and away beyond the scope of LOTR. Besides, I prefer that the story is left largely implicit, highlighting one last moment of glory of a race in decline... and, as you'd expect from Tolkien, the triumph of the natural over the grotesque machinations of artificiality.
I'm of the school of thought that in any form of storytelling, what's left ambiguous is often just as effective as exposition. What's not said says just as much as what is.
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09-25-2002, 05:09 PM | #6 |
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I feel really stupid here but
What exactly is an Ent? |
09-25-2002, 06:08 PM | #7 |
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Um...
I think it's best you read the novel first... then you'll see. I don't think a description would do them justice.
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09-25-2002, 06:31 PM | #8 |
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"Novel" ?! IP, you should know better!
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09-26-2002, 02:51 PM | #9 |
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Whatever you want to call Tolkein's Great Work...
...yes it would be good to read the Trilogy..book...novel...thing. An Ent is an ancient tree-like creature. Ents are the males and Entwives are the females.
Sauron killed virtually all the Famales who lived on what is now the Brown Lands. The Ents stayed in the forest Fangorn. It is rumoured that an Entwife was seen in the Shire. But no-one's sure. This was a severly inadequate description of the amazing Ents. |
09-26-2002, 03:00 PM | #10 |
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I think I remember reading in 'Letters' that it was also possible that there still were a few entwives either as slaves in Mordor or hiding in the far east.
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09-26-2002, 05:15 PM | #11 |
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In the "Conspiracy" chapter there is a story about "creatures as big as an elm" seen in the northern lands. Could be a stray Ent or Entwife.
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... or a troll.
I doubt it would be an Entwife since there were no gardens in the old forest.
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...and the old forest is west not north Plus I don't know how old the story was...
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09-27-2002, 02:52 PM | #16 |
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mayb entwives decided to sailaway to the land of no return after many of them had been killed by sauron and end their greif by sailing off into the sunset? thats imagination i think the ent story line is best left unfinished because u hav to have sum loose ends a story can be too perfect and its nice to hav some things to consider for yourself
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I'm going off on a complete tangent, but doing it so briefly that it doesn't warrant another thread (yet), so ignore me:
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So... what else am I to call it? Literary masterpiece? Magnum opus? Epic achievement? Genre-defining fiction? Because it sure as hell ain't a trilogy.
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09-28-2002, 03:24 AM | #18 |
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Beardofpants is quite correct. I was going to get on your case about it, but I'm getting tired of doing that these days
The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien said, is not at all a novel, but "an heroic romance", which Tolkien said was "a much older style of literature". So call it a romance, or in full a heroic romance.
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As a literary form. It is still, however, a significantly long work of fiction and as such is can be described as a novel in the physical sense. An even more general to that is still acurate is... book.
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Um, anyway, about them Ents...
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