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Sapling
Join Date: Aug 2002
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![]() I was just wondering about the relationship between Elves and Men, and the Valar. Are the Children of Iluvatar Elves and men or the Valar?
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Elf Lord
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,286
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Elves and Men are the Children of Iluvatar. Elves are called the Firstborn, and Men are the Afterborn.
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The Fleet-Footed
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 913
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Yes, and the Valar were created by Iluvatar (Eru) before the Children of Iluvatar (elves & men).
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I elenfea
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Somewhere in the chaos between the first and second ages! (Actually, CO)
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I believe that the Children of Iluvatar ar the Valar, but I'm not sure. *flips through copy of the sil*
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Elf Lord
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Israel
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I always thought they were all Children of Iluvatar.
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Queen of Nargothrond
Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Akron, Ohio - USA
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The Children of Illuvatar are Elves, Men, and later even the Dwarves were counted among them. The Valar are not Children of Illuvatar but his servants. They were each given a charge in nature by him and were to watch over the earth and the Children.
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Hobbit
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Leeds, England
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Th children of Iluvatar were the Elves, the Valar were known as the Ainur, the Holy Ones
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Hobbit
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Either Erebor or Springfield
Posts: 31
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Quote:
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Queen of Nargothrond
Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Akron, Ohio - USA
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That is correct. Only Illuvatar could give them free will.
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