Are Dragons Maiar?

Archbob the Elder · 08-15-2002, 12:00 AM

I know Balrogs Maiar, but are winged dragons also Maiar. I remember reading somewhere that they were but I'm not sure.

Ñólendil · 08-15-2002, 12:24 AM

No, they're not. Where their independence comes from is not certain, but they were not Maiar. Glaurung was able to live and have independence because he was filled with the spirit and malice of Morgoth.

Radagast The Brown · 08-15-2002, 03:32 PM

If they (the dragons) weren't maiar, were they stronger then a maia? and could they win a balrog in a one on one battle?

Ñólendil · 08-15-2002, 05:56 PM

I remember a very long, odd debate a while ago on Entmoot about this. I think it was called Dragons vs. Balrogs, or something like that.

Sanna · 08-17-2002, 12:06 AM

What exactly is Maiar?

I read the book, but I guess I missed that explanation. Thanks!

Sanna

Mirahzi · 08-17-2002, 12:41 AM

The Maiar (plural of Maia) are part of the Ainur, the first spirits to descend upon Arda. They serve the Valar, the other members of the Ainur.

Ñólendil · 08-17-2002, 02:58 AM

And the Ainur, if you didn't know, are the "Holy Ones", the first-created spirits. They're a lot like Angels.

Archbob the Elder · 08-17-2002, 06:11 PM

I think a Dragon could beat a Balrog one-on-one, especially the fire-drakes.

markedel · 08-18-2002, 07:57 PM

Dragons are just animals, albeit powerful ones. Gandalf was arguably the third (second?) most powerful being in middle earth at the time of LOTR.

AragornsonofArathorn · 08-19-2002, 07:18 PM

Are the Ainur the same as the Valinor?

BeardofPants · 08-19-2002, 07:29 PM

Valinor is a place.

AragornsonofArathorn · 08-19-2002, 07:30 PM

BeardofPants · 08-19-2002, 07:34 PM

If you meant Valar, then yes. They were the fourteen spirits of the race of Ainur that entered into Arda in physical form.

AragornsonofArathorn · 08-19-2002, 07:35 PM

Yeah that's what i thought. Thanks

08-15-2002, 12:00 AM	#1
Archbob the Elder Enting Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 77	Are Dragons Maiar? I know Balrogs Maiar, but are winged dragons also Maiar. I remember reading somewhere that they were but I'm not sure. __________________ Get Free Stuff

08-15-2002, 12:24 AM	#2
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	No, they're not. Where their independence comes from is not certain, but they were not Maiar. Glaurung was able to live and have independence because he was filled with the spirit and malice of Morgoth. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-15-2002, 03:32 PM	#3
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	If they (the dragons) weren't maiar, were they stronger then a maia? and could they win a balrog in a one on one battle? __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

08-15-2002, 05:56 PM	#4
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	I remember a very long, odd debate a while ago on Entmoot about this. I think it was called Dragons vs. Balrogs, or something like that. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-17-2002, 12:06 AM	#5
Sanna Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 20	? What exactly is Maiar? I read the book, but I guess I missed that explanation. Thanks! Sanna

08-17-2002, 12:41 AM	#6
Mirahzi Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,286	The Maiar (plural of Maia) are part of the Ainur, the first spirits to descend upon Arda. They serve the Valar, the other members of the Ainur. __________________ "For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest." - Fëanor

08-17-2002, 02:58 AM	#7
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	And the Ainur, if you didn't know, are the "Holy Ones", the first-created spirits. They're a lot like Angels. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-17-2002, 06:11 PM	#8
Archbob the Elder Enting Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 77	I think a Dragon could beat a Balrog one-on-one, especially the fire-drakes. __________________ Get Free Stuff

08-18-2002, 07:57 PM	#9
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Dragons are just animals, albeit powerful ones. Gandalf was arguably the third (second?) most powerful being in middle earth at the time of LOTR. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

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AragornsonofArathorn Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cold Hell... I mean Minnesota Posts: 15	Are the Ainur the same as the Valinor? __________________ The most amazing acomplishments are done by people too stupid to realize they are impossible.

08-19-2002, 07:29 PM	#11
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Valinor is a place. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

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AragornsonofArathorn Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cold Hell... I mean Minnesota Posts: 15	oops __________________ The most amazing acomplishments are done by people too stupid to realize they are impossible.

08-19-2002, 07:34 PM	#13
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	If you meant Valar, then yes. They were the fourteen spirits of the race of Ainur that entered into Arda in physical form. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-19-2002, 07:35 PM	#14
AragornsonofArathorn Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cold Hell... I mean Minnesota Posts: 15	Yeah that's what i thought. Thanks __________________ The most amazing acomplishments are done by people too stupid to realize they are impossible.

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