The last battle

Sween · 08-16-2002, 07:05 PM

We all know that one day Morgoth is predicted to return and there will be one hell of a showdown where the force of evil face off for the last time and the world as they know it will be unmade. Hey thats like a tag line for a movie only need to add the words 'this summer' and 'at a theater near you' and im there copyright pending.

Any way whats it all about is a one on one show down or will there be armys? Will the elves come out of the west one last time? Will the sperits of men return? will sauron the balrogs and any other nasties come back as well?

Bascally if anyone one knows? or more likly thinks they know what will happen i would love to know

Comic Book Guy · 08-16-2002, 10:00 PM

The second phrophecy of Mandos predicted the Dagor Dagorath (last battle) in which Melkor returns from the void, destroys the Sun and the Moon. He shall be sent onto the fields of Valinor by Earendil in which he shall fight the final battle, Manwe shall ascend from the mountain, Tulkas shall fight Melkor with Finwe and Turin at his side. Turin will strike Melkor with his sword killing him.

I believe after this Feanor returns and the Silmarils will be recovered.

Mirahzi · 08-16-2002, 10:27 PM

CBG, is there an explanation why those three in particular will duel him?

cassiopeia · 08-17-2002, 03:16 AM

Is the Dagor Dagorath mentioned in the HoME? I know it's not mentioned in The Silmarillion, but is mentioned briefly in the UT. I have been thinking about it too and am curious.

Blackheart · 08-17-2002, 03:22 AM

Three on one. Typical.

Ragnarok. Think Ragnarok.

Yes there will be armies.

Ñólendil · 08-17-2002, 03:30 AM

Comic Book Guy, that isn't true. It's a common misconception. Or anyway the whole concept is only true of an earlier mythos.

In the later mythology, according to one text (Of Dwarves and Men, I think), Túrin does indeed return to the Dead to fight the Last Battle. But the Last Battle is not the Last Battle of the World, but the Last Battle of the Wars of Beleriand, i.e., the War of Wrath. According to this text Túrin comes to War and slays Ancalagon, instead of the traditional story of Eärendil doing him in.

Spock · 08-17-2002, 10:59 AM

Hmm, is it a coinsidence that Sauron and Saadam both begin with S.?
Or that the Dark Lord and Saadam are dark?

A.E. don't go off on me for this one :-)

Sween · 08-17-2002, 01:02 PM

wheres is it going to take place?

Comic Book Guy · 08-17-2002, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Hmm, is it a coinsidence that Sauron and Saadam both begin with S.?

I dunno, is it a coincidence that Sauron and Spock both begin with S?

BeardofPants · 08-17-2002, 03:56 PM

I don't know much about it (would like to know more though), but by the indication of Michael Martinez thoroughly shooting it down, it doesn't look promising...

I'll post the xenite link (hope this isn't advertising...)

http://www.sf-fandom.com/vbulletin/s...Dagor+Dagorath

You'll see that Michael put it rather succinctly.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 08-17-2002, 04:56 PM

Thank you for posting that BoP, I was going to.

Sween · 08-17-2002, 06:12 PM

Be good if it were real mind thats a fight i wouldnt mind watching (from afar)

Ñólendil · 08-17-2002, 06:31 PM

Quote:

I dunno, is it a coincidence that Sauron and Spock both begin with S?

LOL. Good one Brendan.

BeardofPants · 08-17-2002, 09:11 PM

Welcome, SGH.

08-16-2002, 07:05 PM	#1
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	The last battle We all know that one day Morgoth is predicted to return and there will be one hell of a showdown where the force of evil face off for the last time and the world as they know it will be unmade. Hey thats like a tag line for a movie only need to add the words 'this summer' and 'at a theater near you' and im there copyright pending. Any way whats it all about is a one on one show down or will there be armys? Will the elves come out of the west one last time? Will the sperits of men return? will sauron the balrogs and any other nasties come back as well? Bascally if anyone one knows? or more likly thinks they know what will happen i would love to know __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-16-2002, 10:27 PM	#3
Mirahzi Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,286	CBG, is there an explanation why those three in particular will duel him? __________________ "For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest." - Fëanor

08-17-2002, 03:16 AM	#4
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	Is the Dagor Dagorath mentioned in the HoME? I know it's not mentioned in The Silmarillion, but is mentioned briefly in the UT. I have been thinking about it too and am curious. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

08-17-2002, 03:22 AM	#5
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Three on one. Typical. Ragnarok. Think Ragnarok. Yes there will be armies. __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

08-17-2002, 03:30 AM	#6
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Comic Book Guy, that isn't true. It's a common misconception. Or anyway the whole concept is only true of an earlier mythos. In the later mythology, according to one text (Of Dwarves and Men, I think), Túrin does indeed return to the Dead to fight the Last Battle. But the Last Battle is not the Last Battle of the World, but the Last Battle of the Wars of Beleriand, i.e., the War of Wrath. According to this text Túrin comes to War and slays Ancalagon, instead of the traditional story of Eärendil doing him in. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-16-2002, 10:00 PM	#2
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	The second phrophecy of Mandos predicted the Dagor Dagorath (last battle) in which Melkor returns from the void, destroys the Sun and the Moon. He shall be sent onto the fields of Valinor by Earendil in which he shall fight the final battle, Manwe shall ascend from the mountain, Tulkas shall fight Melkor with Finwe and Turin at his side. Turin will strike Melkor with his sword killing him. I believe after this Feanor returns and the Silmarils will be recovered.

08-17-2002, 10:59 AM	#7
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Hmm, is it a coinsidence that Sauron and Saadam both begin with S.? Or that the Dark Lord and Saadam are dark? A.E. don't go off on me for this one :-) __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

08-17-2002, 01:02 PM	#8
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	wheres is it going to take place? __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-17-2002, 03:56 PM	#10
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I don't know much about it (would like to know more though), but by the indication of Michael Martinez thoroughly shooting it down, it doesn't look promising... I'll post the xenite link (hope this isn't advertising...) http://www.sf-fandom.com/vbulletin/s...Dagor+Dagorath You'll see that Michael put it rather succinctly. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-17-2002, 04:56 PM	#11
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Thank you for posting that BoP, I was going to.

08-17-2002, 06:12 PM	#12
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	Be good if it were real mind thats a fight i wouldnt mind watching (from afar) __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-17-2002, 09:11 PM	#14
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Welcome, SGH. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

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