Why we should all Thank Melkor

[Christiana]

nolendils right.it is beyond anyones imagining.

[Comic Book Guy]

Before Melkor became "Dark and Terrible", as it were, the Ainulindale describes Arda as beautiful and the Ainur loved the vision of the Children of Illuvatar.

[Ñólendil]

Step off. Without Melkor there would have been no snow, no rain, no joy. You can't have happiness without sadness, life without death, pain without pleasure, or good without evil. A bright perfect world my left buttock.

A serene flat grey field with a bunch of white suited mumbling syncophants is what you'd have gotten. Oh sure, no boredom. Patients on thorazine in the mental ward aren't bored either you know.

I said not that a perfect world would be without Melkor. Melkor had his place in the designs of the One, a very high place, if it may not be said to have been the highest. Melkor was the greatest created spirit, and if he had not fallen than all would have been Good and Blessed, and all his doings would have been Good and Blessed. What good came of Melkor's evil came in spite of that very evil. It was out of the very Marring of Melkor that good came. Melkor is not to be thanked, if beauty was born out of his malice, against his will.

We can't have happiness without sadness, or life without death or pain without pleasure or good without evil, because these are concepts of ours and we live in a fallen world. We may know day by night and happiness by sadness, but we never knew aught else, in Tolkien's mythology. The fact is, if Melkor had never fallen, there would be happiness without sadness, though such a thing is beyond our fallen comprehension. There would be no Shadow hovering over Death, and death would be recognised by all as a thing good and natural to we mortals. We would return to our long awaited homes outside the Universe and would meet this journey willingly. No pain would disturb our pleasure, for there would be Good and Good would Be and Good would be All That Is.

A promising morning and a good day,a peaceful evening and a blessed night of rest without fear. You have never known this, my friend and I have not either, so I understand you. How can we know good, without evil? How can we no hope without despair? How indeed? I know not, but we would have known it, had Melkor not become I Moriñgotho, The Dark Foe of the World.

Blessed is boredom, maybe, to a fallen Man.

[Blackheart]

<and if he had not fallen than all would have been Good and Blessed, and all his doings would have been Good and Blessed. What good came of Melkor's evil came in spite of that very evil. It was out of the very Marring of Melkor that good came. Melkor is not to be thanked, if beauty was born out of his malice, against his will.>

I say he was set up. Purposefully created to fall.

In much the same manner as the genesis myth. What kind of madman puts two monkeys in a garden and says "Do ANYTHING you want... except eat this fruit!"

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Ñólendil


I said not that a perfect world would be without Melkor. Melkor had his place in the designs of the One, a very high place, if it may not be said to have been the highest. Melkor was the greatest created spirit, and if he had not fallen than all would have been Good and Blessed, and all his doings would have been Good and Blessed. What good came of Melkor's evil came in spite of that very evil. It was out of the very Marring of Melkor that good came. Melkor is not to be thanked, if beauty was born out of his malice, against his will.

We can't have happiness without sadness, or life without death or pain without pleasure or good without evil, because these are concepts of ours and we live in a fallen world. We may know day by night and happiness by sadness, but we never knew aught else, in Tolkien's mythology. The fact is, if Melkor had never fallen, there would be happiness without sadness, though such a thing is beyond our fallen comprehension. There would be no Shadow hovering over Death, and death would be recognised by all as a thing good and natural to we mortals. We would return to our long awaited homes outside the Universe and would meet this journey willingly. No pain would disturb our pleasure, for there would be Good and Good would Be and Good would be All That Is.

A promising morning and a good day,a peaceful evening and a blessed night of rest without fear. You have never known this, my friend and I have not either, so I understand you. How can we know good, without evil? How can we no hope without despair? How indeed? I know not, but we would have known it, had Melkor not become I Moriñgotho, The Dark Foe of the World.

Blessed is boredom, maybe, to a fallen Man.

Geez Nolendil, you sound a lot like Finrod talking to Andreth.

[Archbob the Elder]

Melkor deserves a place right besides the other Valar.

He is pretty much the onlt one with full emotions and feelings. Remember in the sim, it state "for Melkor of all the Valar knew fear."

You can't be a full being without knowing fear.

[Sister Golden Hair]

I think Melkor only knew fear because he found out that the races of Middle-earth and the other Valar were capable of quite a bit of power of their own in thier defiance of him.

[Blackheart]

I think, that Melkor learned fear because he alone of all the Valar, knew what it was to be truly alone.

He learned fear in the void.