Inbreading??????????

Sween · 07-30-2002, 04:19 PM

forgive me for any ignorance but this has been confusing me. Are the men of middle earth inbread? i know that the noble blood stems from the surviors of Numenor. But what is a strong line of blood. do you you just need one perent to be of Numenorian blood? if you need two after a time when there numbers had dwindled they would of started inbreading. especially the line of kings. Otherwize over many years esspecially as they died out they would all end marrying there cousins and stuff.

Starr Polish · 08-01-2002, 03:01 AM

I guess it's possible, and not necessarily unlikely, though the 'inbreeding' would probably be mostly between pretty distant cousins, so the affects wouldn't always be very adverse, if even there.
Ever heard of the Hapsburgs, Hohenzollerens and the Romanovs? Three major dynasties that fell in WWI (I think...)? Lots of inbreeding. Our World History teacher told us about a royal that had the 'Hapsburg chin'. His chin stuck out so far his bottom teeth were several inches away from his top teeth, and when he died and the doctors did an autopsy, they couldn't identify his organs because he was so jumbled up.
So yeah, inbreeding is possible and probable.

Sween · 08-01-2002, 10:03 AM

I never ment to imply that brothers and sisters got together. But what is a pure line? i wanna know can a pure line of say isidur be carried on if only one perents has it?

Mordomin · 08-02-2002, 12:51 PM

Isn't that what the witch tried to do to Hansel and Gretel? Bake them in bread?

Ñólendil · 08-03-2002, 02:10 AM

Yes, I think so. None of Elendil's descendants were baked in bread, so far as is recorded. On the other hand Aragorn's father (or his grandfather Arador?) was slain by Trolls, and I suppose it is possible that they baked him in bread. But Inbreading would be a very rare occurance among Elendil's descendants.

To be a pure Númenórean, you need two parents of pure Númenórean blood. At the end of the Third Age there were (relatively) few of these.

Aragorn II was not the only descendant of Elendil or Isildur at the end of the Third Age, but he was he the only direct descendant, from eldest child to eldest child. He was thus the only one who could legitimately claim the Kingship, even though there were other living descendants of Elendil. Halbarad, cousin of Aragorn, was probably one of these. 120 years into the Fourth Age, Aragorn tells his wife that he is the last of the Númenóreans, so I suppose by that time the pure-blooded Dúnedain had ceased to exist. I actually think inbreeding less likely than inbreading, in light of Tolkien's beliefs and (come to think of it) traditional Númenórean and Elvish law.

Spock · 08-03-2002, 09:26 AM

The prophetic Woody Allen said, "wheat, wheat fields of wheat. We are all wheat". So I guess this is about wheat bread.

Bregalad · 08-04-2002, 01:06 AM

I imbreaded some chicken for dinner tonight. It was yummy!
How do you tell if two breads are too closely related? Is that like, marble rye?

Sween · 08-04-2002, 06:50 AM

tolkiens work kind of reminds me of clifton in west cumbria. Everyone is related in some way be it 3 cousin or whatever. And because its an isolated place its not uncommon at these kinds of places for people to marry cousins etc. This seems to be the case in middle earth.

Starr Polish · 08-04-2002, 11:18 AM

It also seemed to be the case for Europe royalty, and since Middle Earth is supposedly Europe...

07-30-2002, 04:19 PM	#1
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	Inbreading?????????? forgive me for any ignorance but this has been confusing me. Are the men of middle earth inbread? i know that the noble blood stems from the surviors of Numenor. But what is a strong line of blood. do you you just need one perent to be of Numenorian blood? if you need two after a time when there numbers had dwindled they would of started inbreading. especially the line of kings. Otherwize over many years esspecially as they died out they would all end marrying there cousins and stuff. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-01-2002, 03:01 AM	#2
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	I guess it's possible, and not necessarily unlikely, though the 'inbreeding' would probably be mostly between pretty distant cousins, so the affects wouldn't always be very adverse, if even there. Ever heard of the Hapsburgs, Hohenzollerens and the Romanovs? Three major dynasties that fell in WWI (I think...)? Lots of inbreeding. Our World History teacher told us about a royal that had the 'Hapsburg chin'. His chin stuck out so far his bottom teeth were several inches away from his top teeth, and when he died and the doctors did an autopsy, they couldn't identify his organs because he was so jumbled up. So yeah, inbreeding is possible and probable. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

08-01-2002, 10:03 AM	#3
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	I never ment to imply that brothers and sisters got together. But what is a pure line? i wanna know can a pure line of say isidur be carried on if only one perents has it? __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-02-2002, 12:51 PM	#4
Mordomin Enting Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 56	Inbreading? Isn't that what the witch tried to do to Hansel and Gretel? Bake them in bread? __________________ "Let's face it - chicks dig the Elf." - Sister Golden Hair

08-03-2002, 02:10 AM	#5
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Yes, I think so. None of Elendil's descendants were baked in bread, so far as is recorded. On the other hand Aragorn's father (or his grandfather Arador?) was slain by Trolls, and I suppose it is possible that they baked him in bread. But Inbreading would be a very rare occurance among Elendil's descendants. To be a pure Númenórean, you need two parents of pure Númenórean blood. At the end of the Third Age there were (relatively) few of these. Aragorn II was not the only descendant of Elendil or Isildur at the end of the Third Age, but he was he the only direct descendant, from eldest child to eldest child. He was thus the only one who could legitimately claim the Kingship, even though there were other living descendants of Elendil. Halbarad, cousin of Aragorn, was probably one of these. 120 years into the Fourth Age, Aragorn tells his wife that he is the last of the Númenóreans, so I suppose by that time the pure-blooded Dúnedain had ceased to exist. I actually think inbreeding less likely than inbreading, in light of Tolkien's beliefs and (come to think of it) traditional Númenórean and Elvish law. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan Last edited by Ñólendil : 08-03-2002 at 02:12 AM.

08-03-2002, 09:26 AM	#6
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	The prophetic Woody Allen said, "wheat, wheat fields of wheat. We are all wheat". So I guess this is about wheat bread. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

08-04-2002, 01:06 AM	#7
Bregalad Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KY Posts: 217	I imbreaded some chicken for dinner tonight. It was yummy! How do you tell if two breads are too closely related? Is that like, marble rye? __________________ "They have called me that ever since I said yes to an elder Ent before he had finished his question" -Quickbeam This post property of Entmoot.

08-04-2002, 06:50 AM	#8
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	tolkiens work kind of reminds me of clifton in west cumbria. Everyone is related in some way be it 3 cousin or whatever. And because its an isolated place its not uncommon at these kinds of places for people to marry cousins etc. This seems to be the case in middle earth. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-04-2002, 11:18 AM	#9
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	It also seemed to be the case for Europe royalty, and since Middle Earth is supposedly Europe... __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell