Glorfindel query

Samwise Gamgee · 07-25-2002, 07:26 PM

In The Silmarillion Glorfindel falls to his death battling a balrog, yet in Fellowship he helps Frodo to Rivendell. Is this just a case of two elves with the same name, did Tolkien make a mistake or is their some explanation to this in elven physiology?
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***azalea*** · 07-25-2002, 09:14 PM

I think this has been discussed in another thread; you might want to do a search on it.

The Ringbearer · 07-26-2002, 02:49 AM

I always thought it was the same guy; I just answered a question based on that!

It would explain why Frodo saw him like he did at the Ford.

Rei · 07-26-2002, 03:59 AM

It's a good question but I don't think any one can give you a straight answer.

The only place where we can even come close to the right answer is in The Peoples of Middle-earth (The History of Middle-earth Vol. 12): XIII Last Writings, Glorfindel

Glorfindel of Rivendell was not conceived as the same character as Glorfindel of Gondolin. was the first statement released so we assumed that everything was cleared up, but then Tolkien backtracks and says that Glorfindel's spirit returned to the Halls of Waiting, but was after a time re-embodied by the Valar. He then returned to Middle-earth (either in the mid-Second Age, or as a companion of the Istari in the Third).

So there is no 100 % right answer in this situation, though most people I have talked to do consider them the same person. Hope this helps!

afro-elf · 07-26-2002, 07:44 AM

here is THE thread

http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...did+glorfindel

Comic Book Guy · 07-27-2002, 09:05 PM

This is from Nolendil.

There's probably been multiple topics asking the same question. The "two" Glorfindels are the same. Glorfindel died in Gondolin, his spirit went to Mandos, his body was eventually remade for him and he lived in Valinor for thousands of years. In II 1600 (the Year of Dread when the One Ring was
forged) he returned to Middle-earth (probably in the company of the Blue Wizards) to fight Sauron. Hence his leaving when Sauron died for good.

Azalea, the bright eyes don't have much to do with it. All the Elves had especially bright eyes, it was the key differences between Elves and Men.

07-25-2002, 07:26 PM	#1
Samwise Gamgee Hobbit Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17	Glorfindel query In The Silmarillion Glorfindel falls to his death battling a balrog, yet in Fellowship he helps Frodo to Rivendell. Is this just a case of two elves with the same name, did Tolkien make a mistake or is their some explanation to this in elven physiology? Thankee in advance! ________ LIVE SEX Last edited by Samwise Gamgee : 09-20-2011 at 02:49 AM.

07-26-2002, 02:49 AM	#3
The Ringbearer Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Crickhollow in the summer, and Rivendell in the winter Posts: 397	I always thought it was the same guy; I just answered a question based on that! It would explain why Frodo saw him like he did at the Ford. __________________ 'Go away, and never come back!!' '......what?' 'But you're a part of this world! Aren't you?' Frodo lives!

07-26-2002, 03:59 AM	#4
Rei Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hades....it's a tough job but someone's gotta do it Posts: 182	It's a good question but I don't think any one can give you a straight answer. The only place where we can even come close to the right answer is in The Peoples of Middle-earth (The History of Middle-earth Vol. 12): XIII Last Writings, Glorfindel Glorfindel of Rivendell was not conceived as the same character as Glorfindel of Gondolin. was the first statement released so we assumed that everything was cleared up, but then Tolkien backtracks and says that Glorfindel's spirit returned to the Halls of Waiting, but was after a time re-embodied by the Valar. He then returned to Middle-earth (either in the mid-Second Age, or as a companion of the Istari in the Third). So there is no 100 % right answer in this situation, though most people I have talked to do consider them the same person. Hope this helps! __________________ ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Seek for the Sword that was broken: In Imladris it dwells; There shall be counsels taken Stronger than Morgul-spells. There shall be shown a token That doom is near at hand For Isildur's Bane shall waken, And the Halfling forth shall stand. ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Whoo-hooo!!! I'm an Elven Warrior!!!!!

07-26-2002, 07:44 AM	#5
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	here is THE thread http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...did+glorfindel __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

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07-25-2002, 09:14 PM	#2
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I think this has been discussed in another thread; you might want to do a search on it.

07-27-2002, 09:05 PM	#6
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	This is from Nolendil. There's probably been multiple topics asking the same question. The "two" Glorfindels are the same. Glorfindel died in Gondolin, his spirit went to Mandos, his body was eventually remade for him and he lived in Valinor for thousands of years. In II 1600 (the Year of Dread when the One Ring was forged) he returned to Middle-earth (probably in the company of the Blue Wizards) to fight Sauron. Hence his leaving when Sauron died for good. Azalea, the bright eyes don't have much to do with it. All the Elves had especially bright eyes, it was the key differences between Elves and Men.