Elvish names - Page 2

cian · 06-30-2002, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by Sicirus
I figured out my name. it is Morok vee beleg.

According to Etymologies Quenya morco derives from stem MORÓK- (I'm not yelling, but always cap. the stems) ~ beleg is Sindarin; for S. "bear" I would offer brôg

If I knew someone named "Bear" I might guess that person was strong in any event. Cheers

A few more vocab. incidentals: I've seen folk use Quenya polda "strong, physical strength" (Ales Bican) and Q. meletya "mighty" (David Salo).

Edit:

I just noticed that Ales Bican actually translated "Little she-bear" with Morcellë, for a fem twist

Of interest maybe, Ales also writes: "... a bear + hard'; morco "a bear"; tulca "strong, firm, steadfast", thus Morcotulco or Morcotulcon"

cian · 06-30-2002, 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by Wayfarer
Gladly. Shannon is listed as coming from Seanen: 'Little old wise one'. So I took Er (one), Sael (wisdom) and Iphant (Having much experience, old), and Tithen (small) ... (snip) ... used instead ersaeliphant, which I construed as 'one having old wisdom'

Tolkien has already given us a name for "wise by experience" with Sindarin Iorhael "Old-wise" (*iaur-sael) S- at the beginning of a non-initial element in a Sindarin compound usually became h-

Wayfarer · 07-01-2002, 04:50 PM

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bear-strong= Morcopolo

Morco!
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Polo!

Cian...Are you saying It should be Eriorhael? That's a little cumbersome. Like the professor himself, I tend to make translations based on aesthetics. But taking the mutation into consideration, I suppose Erhaeliphant wouldn't be to great a change.

cian · 07-02-2002, 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by Wayfarer
Cian...Are you saying It should be Eriorhael? That's a little cumbersome. Like the professor himself, I tend to make translations based on aesthetics.

No, I'm saying just Iorhael

Ñólendil · 07-02-2002, 10:52 PM

"Wise by expierience"? Was Tolkien translating "Frodo"?

cian · 07-03-2002, 09:09 AM

Right Ñólendil, in the King's Letter.

Or Maura if you like. Cheers

Rei · 07-03-2002, 10:59 PM

I was browsing this little thread and I had to find my name out, and I like it.

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SARAH (f.) - Heb. 'princess'; aranel "princess", thus Aranel itself

Aranel, very pretty!

Ñólendil · 07-04-2002, 08:26 PM

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My preference for "Wave-son" would be Falmion

I like Falmaion. Actually "Dylan" does not mean "son of the wave" as I once thought, but simply "wave" or "sea". Which is why I simply use Falmon now. Dylan was a god of the sea in Celtic mythology.

Hey Cian, what do you suppose the Quenderin form of "Iorhael" is?

cian · 07-04-2002, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by Ñólendil
I like Falmaion. Actually "Dylan" does not mean "son of the wave" as I once thought, but simply "wave" or "sea". Which is why I simply use Falmon now. Dylan was a god of the sea in Celtic mythology.

Well, tastes differ

the two are stressed differently in any event, as you likely know, as your pref. has a diphthong in the penult. My source agrees with Dylan there too, and adds the associated epithet Ail Ton (among variants) "son of wave".

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Hey Cian, what do you suppose the Quenderin form of "Iorhael" is?

I'd say Q. yára as the first element (S. iaur comes from *yárá) and Q. saira "wise" ~ but here (speaking of taste), I'm not very sure I like these in composition, and wonder if JRRT might have dealt Frodo another Quenya hand, so to speak.

Ñólendil · 07-05-2002, 08:05 PM

Yárasairo does seem a bit out of the ordinary, as names go, doesn't it? Though I find the trilled "r"s pleasing to pronounce.

What's your source for names? I found about "Dylan" via the Oxford Encyclopedia of Celtic Mythology, or it had some title like that, but I don't own the book. What do you use for name-meanings? I don't have a very good source handy and I am no linguist.

The Ringbearer · 07-07-2002, 02:12 AM

My name is a form of Katherine which means 'pure'. What would that be? Also my middle name means 'bitter'(yes, I know, the two meanings don't exactly flow....), so what would my elven middle name be?

cian · 07-08-2002, 08:31 AM

Ñólendil, I guess our sources agree because they are the same

for Dylan I did indeed check MacKillop's book from Oxford University Press.

A good Q. wordlist can be found at Ardalambion of course, and I supplement that from notes from my 'wanderings'; noting words used by trusted 'experts' (I am not one). Etymologies is helpful though 'care' should be used with some entries, considering its apparent time-frame relative to a completed LOTR and 'later' Silmarillion texts.

Incidently I believe Helge just 'updated' a couple of his Quenya entries at his Ardalambion due to a conversation with Carl Hostetter (Carl reminding him of 'new' stuff).

Edit: drat the typos!

cian · 07-08-2002, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by The Ringbearer
My name is a form of Katherine which means 'pure'. What would that be? Also my middle name means 'bitter'(yes, I know, the two meanings don't exactly flow....), so what would my elven middle name be?

If I can 'cheat', be lazy, ie rely solely upon Quenyaist Ales Bican: Ales offers Vendie or Vénie (glossing Katherine as maybe meaning "pure, virginal"). Quenya poica also seems to be used for 'pure', but I like the former better; though the fem. with diminutive Poicelle I like.

For "bitter" sára seems to be the word of choice ~ Ales offers fem. Sáre (of course pronouncing final -e, Sárë).

Carafin · 07-08-2002, 05:55 PM

this is fascinating I enjoy playing with names. my name has three possible roots
Germanic: amal meaning work

Germanic:ermen meaning whole or entire

Latin:aemilius meaning rival
the only definition I have ever heard is industrius one from the germanic root
my user name refers to my red hair cara=red(caradhras) fin=hair
my "baby book" name would be either Cotume(enemy) or Ilya/Ilye (whole) but I couldn't find anything for work could anyone help me?

Ñólendil · 07-08-2002, 08:08 PM

Hey cian, thanks for the head's up about the Ardalambion wordlist-update.

cian · 07-09-2002, 10:26 AM

Carafin, all I could dig up in Quenya was verb móta- "labor, toil". I supposed one could produce a verbal noun (for another approach) on the example of vesta- > vestale ie verb "to wed" > "wedding", and indeed I found an example of expert Helge Fauskanger "using it" with his mára mótale" which must basically mean to be the compliment "good work(ing)".

Well, not much help is still a little

No problem Ñólendil

Revenwyn · 07-09-2002, 05:24 PM

My name (which I am not allowed to give out, sorry) translates to Lossefalme Erunyauve.

~Revenwyn, who will be in the Philippines for the next month, and so cannot post.

~

Erawyn · 07-12-2002, 11:47 PM

went to the baby name elvish thing..was not pleased with the results!
-Greek 'life'; cuile "life", so could be Cuile by itself; a variant of Quenya "life" could be coi (cf. coimas "life-bread"), so maybe Coiel (for ending -el see Altariel sc. Galadriel)

07-02-2002, 10:52 PM	#25
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	"Wise by expierience"? Was Tolkien translating "Frodo"? __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

07-05-2002, 08:05 PM	#30
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Yárasairo does seem a bit out of the ordinary, as names go, doesn't it? Though I find the trilled "r"s pleasing to pronounce. What's your source for names? I found about "Dylan" via the Oxford Encyclopedia of Celtic Mythology, or it had some title like that, but I don't own the book. What do you use for name-meanings? I don't have a very good source handy and I am no linguist. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

07-07-2002, 02:12 AM	#31
The Ringbearer Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Crickhollow in the summer, and Rivendell in the winter Posts: 397	My name is a form of Katherine which means 'pure'. What would that be? Also my middle name means 'bitter'(yes, I know, the two meanings don't exactly flow....), so what would my elven middle name be? __________________ 'Go away, and never come back!!' '......what?' 'But you're a part of this world! Aren't you?' Frodo lives!

07-08-2002, 08:31 AM	#32
cian Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 78	Ñólendil, I guess our sources agree because they are the same for Dylan I did indeed check MacKillop's book from Oxford University Press. A good Q. wordlist can be found at Ardalambion of course, and I supplement that from notes from my 'wanderings'; noting words used by trusted 'experts' (I am not one). Etymologies is helpful though 'care' should be used with some entries, considering its apparent time-frame relative to a completed LOTR and 'later' Silmarillion texts. Incidently I believe Helge just 'updated' a couple of his Quenya entries at his Ardalambion due to a conversation with Carl Hostetter (Carl reminding him of 'new' stuff). Edit: drat the typos! Last edited by cian : 07-08-2002 at 08:33 AM.

07-08-2002, 05:55 PM	#34
Carafin Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: The warm (or West) coast of Canada Posts: 150	this is fascinating I enjoy playing with names. my name has three possible roots Germanic: amal meaning work Germanic:ermen meaning whole or entire Latin:aemilius meaning rival the only definition I have ever heard is industrius one from the germanic root my user name refers to my red hair cara=red(caradhras) fin=hair my "baby book" name would be either Cotume(enemy) or Ilya/Ilye (whole) but I couldn't find anything for work could anyone help me? __________________ Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo; a star shines on the hour of our meeting, - LotR (FotR) four be the things I'd be better off without, love, curiousity, freckles, and doubt Queen Guinevere? ... Though all to ruin fell the world, And were dissolved and backward hurled, Unmade into the old abyss, Yet were its making good for this, The dusk, the dawn, the earth, the sea, That Luthien for a time shoud be ~ ~Beren: The Song of Parting

07-03-2002, 09:09 AM	#26
cian Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 78	Right Ñólendil, in the King's Letter. Or Maura if you like. Cheers

07-08-2002, 08:08 PM	#35
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Hey cian, thanks for the head's up about the Ardalambion wordlist-update. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

07-09-2002, 10:26 AM	#36
cian Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 78	Carafin, all I could dig up in Quenya was verb móta- "labor, toil". I supposed one could produce a verbal noun (for another approach) on the example of vesta- > vestale ie verb "to wed" > "wedding", and indeed I found an example of expert Helge Fauskanger "using it" with his mára mótale" which must basically mean to be the compliment "good work(ing)". Well, not much help is still a little No problem Ñólendil

07-09-2002, 05:24 PM	#37
Revenwyn Sapling Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Forever in Middle Earth Posts: 3	My name (which I am not allowed to give out, sorry) translates to Lossefalme Erunyauve. ~Revenwyn, who will be in the Philippines for the next month, and so cannot post. ~

07-12-2002, 11:47 PM	#38
Erawyn Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: america junior Posts: 320	went to the baby name elvish thing..was not pleased with the results! -Greek 'life'; cuile "life", so could be Cuile by itself; a variant of Quenya "life" could be coi (cf. coimas "life-bread"), so maybe Coiel (for ending -el see Altariel sc. Galadriel) __________________ peace never hurt anyone "Be not so bigoted to any custom as to worship it at the expense of Truth." Johann Georg von Zimmermann Last edited by Erawyn : 07-13-2002 at 12:21 AM.

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