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so people are patriotic enough to wear stuff with their flags on it, in another country. it's kinda mean to assume they are "attacking" the people of the country b/c of it. i can imagine them being obnoxious, but i bet they would be so anyway, even if they didnt have a flag on their shirt or something. they are not obnoxious or aggressive because of their patriotism; patriotism is the object of their attitudes. and this is all supposing they are such.
why does it matter?
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A thought experiment-
Estimate the life expectancy of, say, a Yemenese national displaying a Yemenese flag in the US as opposed to an American national displaying an American flag in Yemen. I bet the two estimates are markedly different.
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comparing other countries' reactions to flag-wearing with ours doesn't prove anything. you say it as if we are superior in this way. for one thing, Yemen's media may be controlled by their government, which could dislike america. this could be true for other countries. so people are only getting one side of the story. so you can't really blame them. and in some news stories, we may be getting only half of the realy story. and also, maybe not everyone in Yemen hates us.
Basically, my point is is this: base your opinions on the individuals you have met.
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i understood his point. hence why i stated what i did about the media possibly influencing the people's opinions. and even if they hate us, they are not necessarily bad people. my point was that maybe there's a reason for their their resentment, and it may not be their fault.
just because you have eaten a meal with someone doesnt mean you know them extensively enough to make such a judgement.
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![]() As for our patriotism - I have had many people say they hate our patriotism and are completely turned off by it. Not that I care - it's their opinion. I don't judge their patriotism.
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I came across an interesting article that sums up American answers to European criticims.
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If it said Allahu Akbar on the T-shirt , and an American asked the wearer to interpret it... How safe is an American in Indonesia compared to an Indonesian in America? I'd give odds.
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Me too. The Indonesian is much safer.
![]() I'll admit that I can't describe the Yemeni flag, but I do know the meaning of Allahu Akbar. (God is Great). I even agree with the sentiment. Americans have a proud tradition of religious tolerance. Muslims are infinitely safer practicing their religion here than are Jews or Christians doing do in predominately Muslim societies.
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