08-18-2002, 09:32 PM | #41 |
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Elves are fading in LOTR. It is by definition (no more incarnate evil) the last "fairy tale," the end of the mythos. That's why elves are passing they are no longer fully a part of Arda. Of course Arwen is important as all Elf-Man unions are important parts of Middle Earth. It also serves as one of those useful refelctions of the elder years that pop up in LOTR. However the two characters aren't comparable, except in the sense that they both aid resistance to Sauron. Their Morning and Evening after all.
PJs fiddling with the mythology to sell tickets doesn't bother me, it's a movie, not "canon." In the movie Aragorn is made much more important, as it's an easy story to latch on to. In the book the characters motivations are beneath the surface. Just read the passage about Aragorn walking through Lorien, it shows the center of his life, without spelling it out for us.
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08-22-2002, 10:58 AM | #42 |
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I can't choose they are both great and at the ford isnt it Arwen that helps Gandalf make the river do that? and Ăowyn is also very cool but TĂ*nuveil was the greatest
( in my opinion ) I also like Hippo's
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08-22-2002, 11:52 AM | #43 |
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acctually all arewn ever does in the book is knitt a nice banner for aragorn but lets not get into that 1 (again)
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08-22-2002, 04:54 PM | #44 |
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And give up her mortality.
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08-22-2002, 05:02 PM | #45 |
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Nice try BoP
Galadriel has to be my choice. She is powerful, but also wise and noble. She acts for herself. Arwen is merely supporting Aragorn. That just don't do it for me.
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08-22-2002, 05:31 PM | #46 |
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Oh no... don't try and tar me with that brush! I'm with Galadriel all the way!
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08-22-2002, 06:16 PM | #47 |
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wow, people are actually answering to this! well, i think that galadriel is better as you know...
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08-30-2002, 02:47 PM | #48 |
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arwen definnetly got to much, if you fell like arguing, pm willow oran, she will deffinitly argue
just kidding willow won't argue she doesn't have anything against arwen. Last edited by Celandine : 08-30-2002 at 03:11 PM. |
08-30-2002, 03:13 PM | #49 |
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I will? Celandine, try consulting me before you say these things. I happen to like Arwen. It's not her fault the movie people made her do what she did. I think that assuming any conflict between Galadriel and Arwen is pointless. Remember that in the book Arwen lived in Lothlorien for many years which would imply that she was fairly close to her Grandparents. If I remember rightly Aragorn asks Galadriel for her blessing on his marriage to Arwen in the book. They're both very different characters and are to my mind completely uncomparable. I like both of them equally and I'm glad that the movie is developing Arwen's character more. I just wish they could have done it in a way that didn't involve her upstaging Glorfindel. You know, I think that if The characters were real people and read this they would probably be appalled that we throw insults at them and try to decide who's better.
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Being the fact that Galadriel is Arwen's grandmother and the fact that Arwen didn't even have half the parts in the book than she had in the movie, I think they gave Arwen too much credit. But then again they gave Galadriel too much credit also, but they stayed truer to the book with Galadriel so I dunno. hahahaha.
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09-01-2002, 09:53 PM | #52 |
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Um im sorry to bust you bubble, but frankly mr. Galendhol Asada it is evident to me you have never seen the movie or read the books (unless you have some extremly misprinted edition). Gandalf does have a part in creating the flood, he even says he does. He created the white horses in the water. Galadriel had know part to do with it whatsoever. Just a little FYI.
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09-01-2002, 10:05 PM | #54 |
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I think Galadriel's history from the Silmarillion and UT is much richer and more well-defined than the little we know about Arwen.
In addition, Galadriel is a Noldo Queen while Arwen is Peredhil. For me, that's a big difference.
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It's difficult to compare the two. Galadriel is much older, comes from Valinor, she has seen the Trees and learned a few tricks from Melian. Arwen is much younger, she was born after the Last Alliance so in a rather peaceful time. If Arwen had been around as long as Galadriel had been, things would have been different. Besides Elrond was in my eyes always overly protective of his only daughter. He called her home when things started to look a lottle rough so I doubt she had anything better to do than knitting flags.
I don't think they gave either women overly credit in the movie. They changed Arwen's role significantly but that doesn't give her more of less credit in my eyes.
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It may be mean (although I don't think so) but it's my opinion. Although she never took the title of queen, Gal. was one of the most powerful elves that returned to Middle-earth. If we are debating semantics, then she is not a "Queen", though she's very queenly. Arwen is one-fourth Celeborn, unfortunately Galadriel's life (and Luthien's) was long and full of action and boldness. Arwen's life was short and not very distinguished by much except her beauty and her choice to be mortal.
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10-24-2002, 02:18 PM | #58 |
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Galadriel is WAYYY better. (I don't really like Arwen)
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10-24-2002, 06:46 PM | #59 |
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Galadriel is better.
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10-25-2002, 05:16 AM | #60 |
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You may be right Sauron's Nagging Wife buuuuuuuuuuuuut...
I think Arwen is cool!!!! Yeah!!! P.S. what does Peredhil mean?
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