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Elf Lord
Join Date: Aug 2001
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Exactly my thought, Rána Eressëa. Tolkien created a whole world that I can live in, even if only in my imagination and for brief periods. There is a macrocosmic scale to the struggle of good and evil but it is accomplished in a microcosmic way by "ordinary" people.
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Radically Tolkienited
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: If home is where the heart is, and my heart is in heaven...that should answer your question. <+><
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I just got done with my fourth reading of LOTR, and as I was closing the book a thought struck me. Because of the destruction of the One Ring the great elves cant live in Middle Earth any longer because their refuges have diminished and faded with the destruction of the One Ring. So it's a bittersweet beauty there.
The elves COULD have hidden the Ring by taking it over the sea and let Lothlorien and Rivendell stay alive with the beauty of the elves. But with the destruction of the Ring so came the end of the reign of elves in ME and because of that Middle Earth would no longer be as lovely as it was. You dont really understand the plight of the Elves until Galadriel and Elrond leave. So of all the cultures it's the elves that give Middle Earth most of it's historic beauty. Cheers, A thoughtful Sam
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Elf Lord
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left.
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![]() Its a memerable world you can go to at any time. It is a world that is created with its own past and races. It has a geniuse set of languages and characters.
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Elven Warrior
Join Date: Jun 2002
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The tale itself is complete
![]() (quick thought) one question did remain........but I think Goldberry answered that ![]() plus the descriptive, dialogue, atmospheric (and accessable) writing...........just a great story, in the truest sense ![]() then we delve into the history of middle earth.........but that is another thread surely ![]() I believe tolkien succeeded, he created a mythology....... ![]() |
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Unanswered Questions
There are many unanswered questions in Lord of the Rings, and at the same time, so much information is given to us. Enough information so that you can always think of another question you want answered.
The appendices tell you much of the language and history. Middle Earth is like a real world in this respect. If you go to this world, there's a huge amount of detail. From this detail, even more information can be inferred. Answering one question usually leads to another. Some that I've yet to answer are:
There's an endless list of questions that, in any other book, we wouldn't even think to ask. Speculating about the answers to these questions is half the fun of reading Lord of the Rings. Tolkein gives us so much detail that we want to live in this world. We know so much about Middle Earth (and practically nothing about the rest of Ea) that we want more. This literary work isn't something you can read once and forget about. Once you've even glanced at it, you're hooked for life. You want to know more. The desire for Lord of the Rings knowledge is what drives some people to learn to speak Elvish. This is why you can do a degree in Tolkein studies at Oxford. The thirst for knowledge is what prompts people to start an Entmoot solely about this topic, where they can discuss it any time, because there's always something to talk about. That's what's so good about Lord of the Rings. |
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Lady of Westernesse
Join Date: Sep 2002
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Re: What's so good about LOTR, anyway?
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Thirst for knowledge anyone?
I still like my theory, even though it definately could be more simple than that.
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Elven Lady of Speed-posting
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: the cheese state
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The Lord of the Rings is like an onion. It has layers...first, the outer adventure story, next a really great mental challenge,next a great big chunk of food for the thought, and at the core, much history.
Plus, like the intense smell of our onion, LOTR is rather breathtaking. But luckily, it's a GOOD breathtaking. ![]()
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What about cake?
Everybody likes cake. Or how about parfait? Have you ever said to someone, let's go get some parfait, and they said, "Nah, I don't like no parfait." I don't think so.
Anyway... I agree, LOTR does have layers, countless layers. |
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Join Date: Aug 2002
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Elven Warrior
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Wherever I may roam
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I love it for many reasons, including the part about the army of orcs disappearing in a forest that wasn't there the day before.
HA! Sorry, I laugh whenever I think about that. |
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Lady of Westernesse
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plus, the hero isn't really a hero at the beginning... *no offense to the frodo fans: he's just a frighted little hobbit who fears every step he takes as long as he has the ring. but as he goes along he releases skills and feelings he never thought he had. that goes for sam, pippin, merry, and bilbo, too.
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Elven Warrior
Join Date: Jul 2002
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I've always wondered about the east where men came from, I wish that there was more to the maps in the book, and stuff written about what was in the east! Also I have a couple questions about Elves. What are the differences between Sindarin and Quenya? is it just different languages? And i read somewhere something about sea elves, anyone know anything about them?
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Elf Lord
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I believe 'sea elves' was a way of refering to those Teleri elves who settled on the coasts at the Falas and eventually Alqualonde. Quote:
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Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!! Last edited by olsonm : 10-06-2002 at 01:29 AM. |
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Elven Warrior
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Thanks Olsonm!
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Radically Tolkienited
Join Date: Aug 2001
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I guess Nurvingiel that we have to make up our own adventures for the questions that have no answers and for the people who have no names...which is another wonderful think about Tolkien.
He leaves room for imagination to grow and florish like a flower in a carefully tended garden. He gives us details about the culture but not about the people which gives us the ability to see them with our own eyes and it gives those of us who are growing up and dont want their imagination to leave us (like me) a few more years of being immature and beliveing in faeries and hobbits and orcs and magic. Cheers, Sam
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Elven Warrior
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey
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surely there is not one thing alone that makes lotr the greatestest book ever - apart from the obviously important geneology, culture, mythology etc, it has got to be a personal thing ?
I was originally read " the mines of moria " by an uncle when i was a mere 7 year old sprog and i witnessed it so vividly in my little uncluttered mind, it was awesome.He also gave me a crazy poster of Gollum - hes all green and slimy,sitting on a rock in a cavern with goblins searching in caverns over his head - memories ! I read the rings when i was 12 and was welcomred into a magical world that none of my friends new about or where bothered about, what fools! I have always thought it immensely funny that people who havnt read the rings dont even know what they are missing. I can still pick up the rings now, any book , any chapter and am immediately in another world. I love the look in newbies eyes as they start to read it and become engulfed / obsessed / questioning /absorbed. oh and i forgot to mention.... i am aragorn ( hey, if i say im aragorn, then that is who i am ! you cant come into my head, theres only room for me and a few others in here, so stay out ! )
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That's what I'm talking about!
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Elven Warrior
Join Date: May 2002
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![]() Why do we like tolkien? Becasue he was so very thorough, and died before he was finished.
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Elven Lady of Speed-posting
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: the cheese state
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Pi has layers too, right?
![]() Seriously. I just realized from reading Human's post...there's another reason Tolkien's works are magnificent. Because he died before the completion, he left alot to our imaginations! Half of the story is ours to discover if only we try...and we always know there are more tales out there. All us readers have to do is find them. THAT, to me, is what makes LOTR the greatest.
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