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Dreamweaver
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Breaking the Rules?
the istari were sent disguised as old men, and were not to openly confront Sauron, or use their true power. on that note, three words: Gandalf the White. he did nothing BUT openly confront Sauron, and i'm pretty sure the beams of light he shot [he did that in the books too] were power, no?
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Elven Warrior
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And I'll raise you this:
How is it possible that every single living creature in Middle Earth didn't guess Gandalf's and Sauron's identities? The don't (or barely) age, live indefinitely, and have unique, non-human/elven powers. What other choices were there for them to be than Maia? ![]() |
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Dreamweaver
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few in middle-earth probably remembered the existence of the maia, except the scattered remaining Faithful, who worshipped "god", the elves, who knew the truth and aided the istari.
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Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih... |
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Being reincarnated by the Higher Power (Eru), he has been sent not like Gandalf-the Istari, but as Olorin - the Maia with all his full power at his disposal. |
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Dreamweaver
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ooooh...yes, that makes sense. ah, and he says, "Gandalf...yes...that was my name once..." alright...good point, Olmer!
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Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih... |
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I fully agree with Olmer.
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In the Third Age Sauron was not that much around and mixing with people. ![]() As for the Second Age, it is noteworthy that Annatar didn't even try to pose as an Elf, which could have made his task a lot easier, he had to admit he was a Maia - and that rose some suspicions. Probably, at close quarters, when dealing with Calaquendi elves (and Celebrimbor was one), a Maia can't disguise his nature. |
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Lady of the Ulairi
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Another Elf among the Mirdain would raise little suspicions - after all, there were some Noldor scattered after the disasters of the First Age who could eventually make their way to Ost-in-Edhil. Probably Sauron was even able to make himself look as a person they used to know, but believed dead.
But he didn't do it - he said he was Maia of Aule - Aulendil. At this time, before the Downfall, Sauron was still a shape-shifter, presumably. The one who can look as a wolf or a bat, would have no problems to look as an Elf - provided his opponents had no access into the Spirit World. |
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