Victimless crimes

***azalea*** · 06-12-2002, 07:09 PM

*refusing to get sucked back into winless argument*

I just want to clarify something -- JD, I know that there are already probably many pilots, surgeons, etc. are drug users, but at this point it isn't legal, so there aren't any problems arising from the government's allowing them to do it.

I haven't gotten a response about the child porn question: do you (meaning whoever) think it should be allowed if it uses only computer generated images of children?

I think it leads into an argument about whether porn cuts down on sex crimes because these people can "get it out of their system", or if it actually increases the chance of sex crimes because it "normalizes" these behaviors and serves to objectify the victims (they see the victim not as a human being but as a means to live out a fantasy).

Two recent incidents in the news -- the rash of victims of abuse at the hands of priests coming forward after many years (or in some cases simply reporting recent abuse), and the kidnapping of the 14 years old girl in the US midwest. There was also another case recently of a guy robbing a house, killing the grandmother who lived there and sexually assaulting and then killing her teen grandaughter. Also have been a couple of high profile cases recently of people in positions of power (political positions, etc.) being charged with posession of child porn in different forms.

I don't like the way a casual debate and exchange of ideas degenerates into attacks. We're not writing any laws here, can't we keep it nice? If people don't show respect for those with opposing opinions, they'll soon find themselves without anyone to have these fun debates with!

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06-12-2002, 07:09 PM	#11
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	refusing to get sucked back into winless argument I just want to clarify something -- JD, I know that there are already probably many pilots, surgeons, etc. are drug users, but at this point it isn't legal, so there aren't any problems arising from the government's allowing them to do it. I haven't gotten a response about the child porn question: do you (meaning whoever) think it should be allowed if it uses only computer generated images of children? I think it leads into an argument about whether porn cuts down on sex crimes because these people can "get it out of their system", or if it actually increases the chance of sex crimes because it "normalizes" these behaviors and serves to objectify the victims (they see the victim not as a human being but as a means to live out a fantasy). Two recent incidents in the news -- the rash of victims of abuse at the hands of priests coming forward after many years (or in some cases simply reporting recent abuse), and the kidnapping of the 14 years old girl in the US midwest. There was also another case recently of a guy robbing a house, killing the grandmother who lived there and sexually assaulting and then killing her teen grandaughter. Also have been a couple of high profile cases recently of people in positions of power (political positions, etc.) being charged with posession of child porn in different forms. I don't like the way a casual debate and exchange of ideas degenerates into attacks. We're not writing any laws here, can't we keep it nice? If people don't show respect for those with opposing opinions, they'll soon find themselves without anyone to have these fun debates with!