09-10-2004, 04:16 PM | #21 |
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It was question
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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09-10-2004, 04:22 PM | #23 |
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Why not? If they saw something they could have with it why not take it. For those who had never left Valinor maybe they could have their own elven kingdom in ME.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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09-10-2004, 04:40 PM | #25 |
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Why was Gandalf tempted then. He was a Maia who were more powerful than the elves.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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09-10-2004, 04:49 PM | #27 |
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Well why didn't the elves of Valinor regard it as dangerous?
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Hypothetically speaking, if the Vanyar or the Teleri ever received the Ring, I wonder what it would try to tempt them with. In my mind I can see the Ring going over a checklist with possible temptations.
The One Ring to a Valinor Elf: I can get you your own kingdom, you know... What? You're not interested? Why not? ....Because you don't want it, what's that for a stupid answer? Okay, scratch the kingdom.*checks off point on checklist* .... Would you like to preserve your realm for all of eternity? I can do that too.... What do you say, the Valar are already doing that for you? *dark mutterings while the Ring checks off another point of his list* ....How about some great victories, battles won, prowness with weapons, everybody looking up to you and bowing down in the dust? ... No battles or weapons in Valinor, you say. Not even the tiniest nail cutter? No? Sigh. *throws away checklist* ... Look here Elf, is there anything you want? Anything at all? I can do every thing, you know, get you everything you want. So what's your greatest desire? .... A crumpet and a pretty song?! Is that all you want?! That's it, I give up, even evil Rings like me have their breaking point....
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When saying equal or greater power it is not refering to... "Power" it is refering to Saurons smithing power and knowledge, aule's ultimate smithing skill. Perhaps one of the Noldor, feanor perhaps, could have unmade the rings. I think that Saruman in many hundred years could have learned enough to unmake the ring. It is not simply equal or greater in pure Power.
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I agree. Part of the Ring's power is self-preservation. One is not suppose to consider harm to the lovely (and valuable) thing. Sauron would be a fool not to put such a spell on the Ring, what with all the power he bound up in it.
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But Sauron was in the beggining justa humble Maia of aule, the same as Saruman! Under Morgoths instruction Sauron become what he was. Saruman I think could have gained the same power... he was of the same order, in a sense. Fëanor would be a little more difficult to argue, but still not that hard. For Fëanor created the Silmarils, three jewels beyond the desire or craftsmanship of the one ring. They were not made for the same purpose but they have a similarity and so I think even Fëanor could have potentialy destroyed the one ring.
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09-12-2004, 06:30 AM | #34 |
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Sauron could not unmake the Ring unless he dropped in into Orodruin.
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Sauron could not unmake it without that action only because he would have been too weak without the ring. Though I don't see Sauron destroying it. If you mean Saruman then I think you may be wrong, in my oppinion at least. I think that a Maia of similar order to the creater of the one ring could in time destory the ring, possibly witha greater ring of his own!?
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09-12-2004, 06:35 AM | #36 |
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Well Saruman couldn't make a powerful Ring of his own so I think that unmakinng would be a task to great for him.
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At that time. Sauron had what, nearly 3 ages to learn to make a great ring! Saruman had 300 years!? Its a matter of understanding, and Saruman was a craftsman, a maia of aule as was saruman, a craftsman of aule. Perhaps Sauron was in his youth equaly as powerful as Curiniur? Sauron just decided to follow Morgoth and learned the evilness of his power and gained many skills. Saruman only started when the ring was discovered still alive, around the time of the Hobbit! So really he only had a matter of like 100 years. Give him 3 ages and Curinir could be... Curinir, Lord of the Earings!
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09-12-2004, 06:43 AM | #38 |
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But Sauron learnt from Morgoth. He, along with Manwe was the most powerful Vala.
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But Morgoth was not as powerful as all the other Valar. Each of the others held a power he was partial to, Aule to his smithing, so in smithing aule would rock Morgoth. Also it is mentioned that Aule was most like to Morgoth so he must have been pretty damn tough. anyhow, perhaps Curinur learns under sauron, lies, returns to valinor, learns under aule, returns and kills sauron! and becomes Curinur, Lord of the Anklets!
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At the beginning of the Sil it says that Melkor was the most powerful of the Valar.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |