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Hostages in Moscow
Just heard on the news (ABC's Nightline) that the hostage situation in Moscow is over, but no definitive news yet about how many people have died or have been injured.
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I heard that too, but on a different channel (Fox). I was surprised and a little upset that, as a situation where hundreds of lives were at stake, it didn't get any more coverage than it did. Well, not a little upset, actually. I was so upset that no one seemed to be saying anything about it that I had to leave the room! I'm just thankful that it's over and they'd been able to get the hostages out of there.
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I think I understand what you mean by being upset. I don't know what the coverage was like in other countries, but it seems US channels don't bother much with situations involving non-US people, even when it is such a terrible event involving many people. I suppose it's only human nature to pay more attention to your own, but we do tend to ignore events that don't involve US citizens. Even when it's terrorism.
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I know, but I don't think I've ever seen a situation where we paid this little attention to something so important. I wonder if there was more coverage anywhere else? (I mean other than Russia, where I'm guessing this would have gotten a lot of coverage).
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We didn't get much coverage of it over here either.
The way it was resolved was perhaps not the best one. I wonder how many civilians got taken out by the russians. EDIT: Sorry, I was not aware that the terrorists were killing off the hostages. ![]()
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This has been the main topic in Norwegian news these days. Russian special forces took action when the terrorists started to kill hostages this morning. Latest update is that 10 hostages are killed and also 36 of the 50 terrorists are killed.
![]() I'm glad it's over now. My honour to the Russian special forces.
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cee2lee2 you said "but it seems US channels don't bother much with situations involving non-US people, even when it is such a terrible event involving many people."
There actually were U.S. hostages. at least 3. and i don't know where, i'm guessing some other country, they showed on live TV the people shooting someone. or maybe they just showed the person being carried out dead. anyway it must have looked awful. but it's over right? kind of off the subject but they caught the snipers too.
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I think the news covered the Russian hostage situation a lot. Nightline had several shows devoted to it - including doing an interview with a Russian reporter on "Up Close". World News Tonight also covered it a lot.
Obvisouly around here though - the sniper killer in the Maryland area was covered much more (sometimes too much in my opinion). There is only so much news that can be covered at one time. The attacks in Israel also weren't covered as much during this time. I'm glad that both situations are over with. It is upsetting that 90 hostages died - but still 750 were saved. If Russia didn't do something - there is hardly any doubt that the terrorists would have blown up the theater. Then we would looking at everyone dead and wondering why something wasn't done to rescue them. Sometimes hard choices have to be made and they're not always 100% successful.
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Well, the terrorists sure succeeded in bringing the Tsjetsjenian (sp?) war into the media. At least here in Norway. And I'm afraid there will be more terrorist actions like this one.
jerseydevil, I'm also glad they've taken the sniper. That situation disturbed me much more than the hostage event in Russia. It must have affected far more people.
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Just saw on news that of the 200 hundred dead or so only 1 died from a bullet wound the otherts were from the gas
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Sleeping gas? I don't know.... I heard about 100 hostages dead, most of them by gas poisoning and still about a 100 more still in intensive care. It was also said that the russian military might have used stuff a little more dangerous that sleeping gas. Apparently the military also doesn't want to tell just what gas they used. (not sure about that one, my sister just told me)
Although the fact that the hostages hadn't eaten might have had some influence there. According to the teletext they only had some chocolate left to eat the last day or two.
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My guess is that they did not use sleeping gas probably something much more effective. Is there acctually any reported cases of people falling asleep? The Russians have allways been not the most carefull that pic of the guy going underneath the reactor at chenobobly whats the hell were they thinking?
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im sorry but putting a guy under a leaky reactor with no safety gear is never ever the safest course of action. My dad worked at sellefeild for 20 years so i know a bit about nuclear reactors (yes my bedtime storys were indeed that fun).
Yes they probably did use a mixed gas if they used a mixed gas at all. Ive a feeling they would of just used a nerve gas i dont think there was any sleeping gas present and there was not much. But with anything you have to weigh up the pro's and cons i dont understand the sition enough to sya well russia should of gioven them chetzenia etc. But there is one thing im sure of once people start killing and show that level of commitment to the cause its not so much about getting them all out allthough that is the ideal its about ending it without any AVOIDIABLE complications. Im sure the facts will come to light so i know there was brits in there and if there isnt an investigation ill be writting another letter to dear old tony. I would hate to think that the russian army had been careless in this matter.
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These actions do nothing to generate sympathy for muslim situations around the world. They may have taken hostages because of the war in Checnya - but I think most people just view it now as just a bunch of muslim fanatics that kill innocent people. The Sniper here ended up being a "black muslim". He had declared to people that he supported the actions on 9/11. I won't prejudge all Arabs or Muslims - but these actions will eventually have a negative affect on innocent Muslim lives. Muslim American Society It is interesting how the Muslim American Society - condemns the terrorist attacks on 9/11, the "occupation" by Israel, US foreign policy, etc, but seems to be silent on the Palestinian Suicide Bombers. American Muslim Alliance. When Muslims condem the action of ALL terrorist - including the suicide bombers against innocent Israeli citizens - then maybe I will consider that they are impartial and their concerns should be listened to. The taking of innocent lives in retaliation does nothing to bring sympathy to their cause. What will eventually happen is that the majority of people will just start viewing all Muslims and Arabs as terrorists.
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Although 100+ hostages have died and 150 are in critical condition in the hospital at this point - I probably would have instituted a similar operation. I had told a friend that they should "gas" the place in order to make the terrorist disoriented or knocked out. I don't know what kind of gas they used - whether something less strong, but just as affective might have been available. Maybe the operation could have been carried out better - but hindsight is 20/20.
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