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Philosophies of Handling Differences
I was thinking a lot last night (one of my favorite pastimes!), and as I was considering how to handle the disagreements between JD and me that are starting to monopolize the creationism/evolution thread (and thus ruin a really interesting thread and one I enjoy being on), I got the idea of how to kill two birds with one stone - I thought I would move the disagreement section onto a new thread (thus freeing up the thread to be on-topic again), and in this new thread, deal with the disagreements as well as discuss people's handling of differences/arguments, as well as the underlying philosophies of why people handle things the way they do.
Unfortunately, one of the "laws" of the universe, besides taxation ![]() As in any of the threads that I start, I ask that ALL posts are considerate to the other posters here at Entmoot. This thread could blow up if people lose their tempers, but OTOH, it could be really, really interesting and informative. I would like to request that everyone read their post thru before hitting the post button, just to double-check that things are clear and are non-attacking. There CAN be disagreements without unpleasantness! I know, for I am good friends with people that I have massive disagreements with, and we treat each other with respect. To start off, the reason why I have even been answering JD's posts is because his posts state false things about how I think (I can read my mind, and he can't, obviously!) and this reflects on my character, and my character is very important to me. So altho I don't want to clutter up the creationism/evolutionism thread with the disagreement, I do wish to address the disagreement, because I feel that false accusations have been brought against me, and obviously I wish to clear them up, as anyone else would in my place. So JD, if you want to, you can copy your last post over here, and I"ll also link to it, and I will pick up the discussion from there. You don't have to participate if you don't want to, but you're welcome to if you want to ![]() I repeat that ALL participants in this thread are asked to be polite and considerate. Humor is great, too, as long as it's not depracating humor. Stories of how people handled conflicts in the past, questions about current conflicts, etc. are all welcome. Let's give it a go! ![]()
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rian - all you have to do to find out how to handle a disagreement with me is right there in my signature.
![]() As for moving our disagreement to this thread - won't work - our disagreement isn't in this thread - it's with the handling of the creation thread - therefore until that issue is resoled there - it will stay there. I tried a way of resolving it - I started a thread to talk about evolution - FM closed it though for no reason. Thereofe we are back to square one in yoru thread thanks to him. ![]()
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Here are two posts of JD's that I will link to and refer to :
post 1 and post 2 I'd like to start off with post 1, because that is an absolute classic example of what I think the majority of disagreements are caused by - misunderstanding! I'll go get the relevant quotes ...
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![]() I suggest this thread gets closed before you get into something you can't handle and this whole thing blows up. This is A WARNING. [edit]Hey Rian - I find it funny you never tried to talk to me through PM at all. But hey - that wouldn't give you the opportunity to allow everyone to come to a single thead to gang up on me. So did you invite Coney, BoP, Hemel, BJ,Elfhelm and others? ![]()
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Here's what JD said : "Maybe that would be good if you listened to your own rules then. YOu repeatedly said that I called you a liar and so forth and then you said that I called you stupid. "
When JD claimed that I said that he called me stupid, I could NOT figure out where he got that! I did NOT remember saying that JD called me stupid! So I used the handy search tool, and I found where I used the word "stupid" - I said "I would rather be thought stupid than a liar" (or something like that - accurate quote forthcoming). See, this is a TOTAL misunderstanding!! As I said before, the truth is very important to me, and being thought/called a liar is abhorrant to me. I was asking JD something along the lines of do you think I'm lying about what I say I believe, and he answered along the lines of that he thought I was deluded/deceived (rough quotes - I can dig up actual quotes if anyone wants them) and he did NOT think I was a liar. At that point, I was SO relieved to hear from him that he didn't think I was a liar, that I came out with that line that he completely misunderstood - that I would rather be thought stupid than a liar. I was NOT - repeat NOT - saying that he thought I was stupid! But he took it that way. What I WAS saying is that if someone disagrees with an opinion of mine, they could think several things - they could think that I was lying about my opinion, they could think I was believing in false information innocently, they could think I was just rather dense and didn't understand things well, etc. etc. And that for ME, since I hold truth so highly, I would rather be thought STUPID (option 3) than be thought a LIAR (option 1). So this situation just illustrates a classic case of misunderstanding. So JD, let me clear the record and the misunderstanding - I did NOT say that you called me stupid. Will you choose to believe me? It's true. Do you see how it was a misunderstanding?
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Hey Rian - I find it funny you never tried to talk to me through PM at all. But hey - that wouldn't give you the opportunity to allow everyone to come to a single thead to gang up on me. So did you invite Coney, BoP, Hemel, BJ,Elfhelm and others?
![]() Whatever - you may continue with your little attack thread. I'm not responsible for this turning to a flamefest with you though - so I hope you are wearing a fire suit.
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JD, I am NOT interested in a fight.
I am interested in restoring understanding and peace, and in addition, talking about philosophies of disagreements, as I said in the first post. Doesn't it make you feel better to understand that I did NOT say you called me stupid? I can totally see how you misunderstood me! But I want to clear up the misunderstanding, because it IS a misunderstanding.
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