Why the hell?

congressmn · 01-19-2003, 03:20 PM

why the hell, cant sauron make a new ring?
why the hell has tolkien portryed him to be such a looser, who duznt even know where the ring is headed.
how the hell two stupid hobbits in the middle of U knwo where, survive, and make it thru.
this is all too fantastic. quite unbelievable.

Dúnedain · 01-19-2003, 03:53 PM

It's a fantasy story.....

Have you taken your Ridlin today?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-19-2003, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by congressmn
why the hell, cant sauron make a new ring?
why the hell has tolkien portryed him to be such a looser, who duznt even know where the ring is headed.
how the hell two stupid hobbits in the middle of U knwo where, survive, and make it thru.
this is all too fantastic. quite unbelievable.

Sauron can not make another ring because a great part of his power and essence went into the Ring of Power. The ring was Sauron and Sauron was the Ring.

Tolkien does not portray him to be a loser, but an evil character in all respects.

The Hobbits were the perfect choice to take the ring and destroy it, because as Gandalf had said, Hobbits were creatures that Sauron had never paid attention to and so perhaps he would not notice their quiet footsteps in Mordor.

samwise of the shire · 01-19-2003, 07:33 PM

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why the hell has tolkien portryed him to be such a looser, who duznt even know where the ring is headed.

Haven't you read the books? Or did you miss the fact that the Lands of the West were setting up a ploy to distract his attention?

When Pippin looked into the Palantir Sauron thought that Saruman had him captive and therefore he thought that meant that Pippin was the Ring bearer because Saruman was trying to get the Ring, but when the Nazgul went to Orthanc after Pippin talked to Sauron they didn't find the hobbit there because he WASN'T captive.
They reported back to their master that the hobbit was absent from Orthanc which to Sauron translated as "The halfling is FINALLY being taken to Minas Tirith by Mithrandir." Remember Sauron suspected that the ring would be taken to Minas Tirith because he thought the Ring would corrupt their minds. Gandalf expected this, so he took Pippin to Minas Tirith as a ploy.
Aragorn then took the Palantir and looked into it, revealing himself as the Heir of Isildur and the one who would rule Middle Earth which kind of thickend the disguise because then Sauron's mind would be assailed with doubts which happened so Sauron showed Aragorn the Corsairs of Umbar and their alligiance with his (Saurons) army which happened to be composed of all the stinking Orcs in Mordor...so Sauron empties half of Mordor in preperation to over come Gondor.
Aragorn leaves for the Paths of the Dead and the Rohirrim ride to Minas Tirith's defense. Aragorn returns and flattens the orc army...but then he and the army of Gondor and Rohan ride to Mordor to create a HUGE diversion by offering themselves as ploys.
Sauron then makes two HUGE mistakes that cost him Middle Earth, his Ring and his life. He empties Mordor of the remaining orcs, and turns his eye and his thoughts (which communitcated and called to the Ring) towards the pitifully inatiquite army at his gates...because there were no more orcs left Sam and Frodo could slip past easily and because he was paying attention to the armies of Rohan and Gondor he didn't hear the Ring calling him until Frodo claimed it for his own at the Cracks of Doom...but then it was too late. The West had won.
That is one of the oldest tricks in the book...and he didn't get it.
Cheers,
sam
ps. dont call the hobits stupid.

Shadowfax · 01-19-2003, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by congressmn
why the hell...

Hell is a place so I wouldn't use that word as lightly as you seem to be doing, if I were you...

And read the books again, and pay closer attention, because you'll see that it all really does make sense.

WallRocker · 01-19-2003, 08:31 PM

I agree with you, Shadowfax.

Dúnedain · 01-19-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by Shadowfax
Hell is a place

Depends on what your beliefs are

The Lady of Ithilien · 01-19-2003, 09:53 PM

It's "Udûn," people: "Udûn."

Anyway, thanks, samwise of the shire, great post, and especially:

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They reported back to their master that the hobbit was absent from Orthanc which to Sauron translated as "The halfling is FINALLY being taken to Minas Tirith by Mithrandir." Remember Sauron suspected that the ring would be taken to Minas Tirith because he thought the Ring would corrupt their minds. Gandalf expected this, so he took Pippin to Minas Tirith as a ploy.

I'd never seen it that way before. Of course!

Firekitten2006 · 01-20-2003, 01:52 AM

Because Hobbits are the best

And because WE WANT IT THAT WAY

or because we're special....or maybe JRRT was special....I think we're all very very special kids *leaves room*

Elf Girl · 01-20-2003, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by congressmn
why the hell has tolkien portryed him to be such a looser,

How so?

FrodoFriend · 01-20-2003, 10:19 AM

Considering that Sauron kept Middle Earth in terror for many long years, brought about the downfall of Numenor, and managed to build a terrifyingly strong empire several times, I'd hardly call him a loser.

Blackboar · 01-20-2003, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by FrodoFriend
Considering that Sauron kept Middle Earth in terror for many long years, brought about the downfall of Numenor, and managed to build a terrifyingly strong empire several times, I'd hardly call him a loser.

Neither would I, but remember, he lost in the end, giving him the title loser

congressmn · 01-20-2003, 03:11 PM

Finally someone who agrees with me in Entmoot.

Andúril · 01-20-2003, 03:26 PM

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congressmn:
Finally someone who agrees with me in Entmoot.

Actually, the context in which "loser" appears in Blackboar's post is different to that of the first post in this thread.

So, unfortunately, nobody agrees with you in Entmoot.

congressmn · 01-20-2003, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by Andúril
Actually, the context in which "loser" appears in Blackboar's post is different to that of the first post in this thread.

So, unfortunately, nobody agrees with you in Entmoot.

ok, i am back to square one then.
the most hated person in Entmoot. sadly

FrodoFriend · 01-20-2003, 03:49 PM

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ok, i am back to square one then.
the most hated person in Entmoot. sadly

Well, if you choose 'congressmn' as your screen-name . . . jk.

congressmn · 01-20-2003, 03:57 PM

Well I intend to change it.

Coney · 01-20-2003, 03:58 PM

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ok, i am back to square one then.
the most hated person in Entmoot. sadly

I doubt it......wait until your name apears in someones signature........then you know your hated

congressmn · 01-20-2003, 04:02 PM

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I doubt it......wait until your name apears in someones signature........then you know your hated

Yes I am waiting for the confirmation. I dont think it is too distant in the future. the way the things are going presently, is shocking enough.

FrodoFriend · 01-20-2003, 04:30 PM

Fight a Balrog and be reborn as a great wizard, and I guarantee everyone will love you.

01-19-2003, 03:20 PM	#1
congressmn Incharge: neighbourhood security Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on my 499th post Posts: 481	Why the hell? why the hell, cant sauron make a new ring? why the hell has tolkien portryed him to be such a looser, who duznt even know where the ring is headed. how the hell two stupid hobbits in the middle of U knwo where, survive, and make it thru. this is all too fantastic. quite unbelievable.

01-19-2003, 03:53 PM	#2
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	It's a fantasy story..... Have you taken your Ridlin today? __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

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Firekitten2006 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: the US of A! But I wish i was in austraila, never been, just think it would be a fun place to live :) Posts: 372	Because Hobbits are the best And because WE WANT IT THAT WAY or because we're special....or maybe JRRT was special....I think we're all very very special kids leaves room __________________ I'm Baaaack!!

01-20-2003, 10:19 AM	#11
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Considering that Sauron kept Middle Earth in terror for many long years, brought about the downfall of Numenor, and managed to build a terrifyingly strong empire several times, I'd hardly call him a loser. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-20-2003, 03:11 PM	#13
congressmn Incharge: neighbourhood security Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on my 499th post Posts: 481	Finally someone who agrees with me in Entmoot.

01-20-2003, 03:57 PM	#17
congressmn Incharge: neighbourhood security Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on my 499th post Posts: 481	Well I intend to change it.

01-20-2003, 04:30 PM	#20
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Fight a Balrog and be reborn as a great wizard, and I guarantee everyone will love you. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

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