09-08-2006, 05:43 PM | #1 |
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Couple of questions
1) When did Shelob settle into her lair? Because she can't have been there at the end of the second age, and the first half of the third, because they had a watch tower to get to, and it would be a bit impracticle if she was already there.
2) How does the Witch-King go from a horse when he enters Minas Tirith during the siedge, to a Fell beast a few minutes later when he fight Eowin?
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09-09-2006, 11:46 AM | #2 |
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the first, is found in the Sil and part in the Trilogy, I just don't have time to look it up now.
The second; horse-drowned at the fjord by Rivendell; also book mentions 'they are now mounted on fell beasts'.
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09-09-2006, 05:08 PM | #3 |
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But the Witch-king enters the city on a horse, yet moments later, he's on a fell-beast.
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09-09-2006, 05:08 PM | #4 |
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Nay, Spockie, you dinnae read the question closely enough. He refers to the Witch-kind entering Minas Tirith on a horse, after the Gates are broken down, not to Rivendell.
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09-09-2006, 06:41 PM | #5 |
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1. Don't get his phraseology.
2. Have trouble reading some postings misspelled. 3. Is this the book or the movie?
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09-09-2006, 06:48 PM | #6 |
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Errrr, book,of course.
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09-10-2006, 12:58 AM | #7 |
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At the begining of The Battle of Pelennor Fields, it is stated that "he was still in command, wielding great powers; king, ringwraith, lord of the nazgul, he had many weapons" (despite the quote, I have nothing but contempt for that ugly thing ). My guess is that the fell beast, one of the largest flying creatures of Middle-Earth, was one such weapon. They probably had a rendez-vous between the gates of the city and the confrontation with Eowyn.
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09-10-2006, 02:55 AM | #8 |
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Yeah, so that both of them could psycologically scare her before they battled.
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Look at the description of the lair in the LOTR. There was the main fairly straight tunnel (man-made undoubtedly) then at one place there was an opening in the left-hand (north) wall "far wider than any they had yet passed; and out of it came a reek so foul, and a sense of lurking malice" Apart from these, there were many side openings from the Main tunnel, leading to accessory tunnels running parallel to the main way. These were made by orcs to avoid passing by Shelob's lair. These tunnels were too narrow for the spider. Tolkien made a scetch of the lair that is published in one of HOME books (either 7 or 8 - I have no time to check it now). Quote:
I think it was kept either in Osgiliath (most likely) or just outside the range of Gondorian arrows. Quote:
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09-10-2006, 12:56 PM | #10 |
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Are you reffering to the same great eagles, descendants of a maia, the "fearless", "noble-hearted", that saved the behind of almost every important character in the history of Arda?
And by what curious chance did you get to know the the description of their eeries? And is your description worse than the bowels of hell, filled with the stench of foul creatures, a place in which the nazuls were most likely delighted to live in? If so... to each his own. Beasts of burden? Who would fail to notice the greatest birds of Middle-Earth? Fortunately, no one risked proposing such a feat at the council of Elrond; I wonder what Gandalf's words would have been ... |
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About them being "descendants of a maia", I admit I know nothing. A quote, please? They may have saved the behind of Gandalf twice, and Beren and Luthien once, but then Thorondor and company made a poor job of guarding the approaches to Gondolin - a whole army arrived there without warning. As for Sam and Frodo, the Eagles did nothing to help their mission, only saved their lives when the mission was complete. Never liked this part - it was quite unrealistic to survive the explosion. Quote:
As for the nazgul abode, you have full description in LOTR - it was an awesome place complete with flower-medows and statues. Quote:
But let us face it - in the Book, the Eagle taxi is present. ONLY it is somehow not available for those on the Quest. That doesn't command respect for the Eagles of Manwe. On another forum Aule posted this link here to a short video: "How the LOTR should have ended." I found it hilarious. Last edited by Gordis : 09-10-2006 at 04:10 PM. |
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Shelob's lair By the way, note that in the drawing North is down, South is up, so the map is upside-down in a way. Christopher commented on it. Quote:
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