08-22-2002, 03:35 PM | #1 |
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Who's the real hero of "Lord of the Rings"?
Having participated in discussions on this topic on another community, I was wondering who you consider to be the real hero of "Lord of the Rings".
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08-22-2002, 03:52 PM | #2 |
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its pippin!
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08-22-2002, 06:04 PM | #3 |
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I suppose it would be Aragorn, in terms of heroics.
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08-22-2002, 06:12 PM | #4 |
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no its MARRY
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08-22-2002, 06:13 PM | #5 |
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Either Sam or Gandalf, depending on which POV you want to go with. Without Sam, the ring probably would never have made it to Mt. Doom. But then Gandalf's sole mission in ME was to defeat Sauron, and in terms of guidance, and heroics, Gandalf is definately da man!
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08-22-2002, 06:38 PM | #6 |
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They are all pretty much Heros. In order i would have to put them Sam (without him the ring would never ever of been destroyed) Frodo (lets not underestimate the difficulty in bearing the ring) Gandalf (as it says at many points in the book without him all would of been los long ago) Aragorn then Ewoyn then Theoden then Treebeard.
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08-22-2002, 07:29 PM | #7 |
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There's a certain "Zen" to that question - who is the hero of any heroic story?
Have come across different facets of this question before (mainly in terms of who the main character is), and there are good points to be made for several of them, but right now it seems to me that Frodo is the story's hero -- he accepted the impossible mission and failed at the bitter end (there's a good discussion of this at The Scrolls Of Orthanc at http://www.users.cts.com/king/e/erik...en/tolkien.htm (hope that URL still works -- I haven't been there very recently). And yet the mission was accomplished. There's a certain bitter comfort in knowing that one's mission is impossible and then failing at it -- it's all part of what you expect. But what do you do when it succeeds in spite of yourself? To be hailed as Frodo was on the Field of Cormallen and eventually throughout Middle-earth, and yet to know deep down that you failed. . . how awful once the initial joy and relief faded. No wonder the lesser traumas Frodo had experienced on the way still affected him as he got closer and closer to home -- he still hadn't finished his quest, deep down inside. One assumes that he eventually did, though, in Valinor. Kind of brings meaning to Sam's comment early on, "Ah, but where will they live?" All those who wanted them found homes and a life at the end, except Frodo. That's why he's the hero. |
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I think Aragorn, Gandalf, and Sam were pretty much the most hard worked and heroic. As well Frodo and Eomir
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08-23-2002, 06:30 PM | #10 |
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Gollum.
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08-23-2002, 08:05 PM | #11 |
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Hardly makes him a hero, in my book. It was by mercy and pity that the job was done, for by mercy and pity Sméagol lived on and was allowed to take the Ring one last time. But Sméagol didn't try to destroy the Ring. He lost his footing and fell into the Fire.
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I think that Sam was the hero because he helped Frodo through all of his struggles and trials. He never left him, and he was prepared to go by himself when he thought Frodo was dead. Sam definately.
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08-24-2002, 12:45 AM | #13 |
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Actually I think it was a little known character named Bob, an agraphobic ferret, who is of course only fleetingly referred to in Appendix Q of the 11th chapter of Christopher Tolkien's Lost Cat Tails and then again in a written request for a refund from a chinese laundry included in a now out of print version of "Tolkien's Letters".
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08-24-2002, 01:59 AM | #15 |
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I think Sam is the real hero - even Tolkien is with me on that one (he says that is the Letters). He was an ordinary Hobbit who helped achieve a task the great ones couldn't.
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08-24-2002, 03:43 AM | #16 |
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Sam and Frodo for me. Frodo did all he could by carrying the Ring, and Sam urged him along, was always there for him, and even carried him up to Mt. Doom when Frodo was too weak to walk. I can't really say that one is more heroic than the other, because they did different things.
Also, if it weren't for Gandalf, nothing at all would have been accomplished! He convinced Bilbo to pass the Ring on, found out that it WAS the One Ring, then lead the whole group as far as Moria; due to circumstances beyond his control, he then took a break ,and Aragorn took temporary charge.
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08-24-2002, 05:21 PM | #17 |
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My problem here is that LoTR is such an ensemble piece, that I find it hard to pick just ONE!
Frodo and Sam, certainly had the most epic task, and both had a lot at risk. Frodo being the tragic hero, who does not benefit from his heroism, but without the support of Sam, he would have failed in his task. There is also the fact that, without the other characters actions elsewhere in the story, they would probably have failed anyway Aragorn is a traditional type hero, all action and honour. He is also the one who gains the most from success. Without Gandalf, nothing would have happened in the first place. Even the younger hobbit and the rest of the Fellowship do such sterling work to ensure the success of the quest. So I'm going to wimp out here and not pick any one person in particular. |
08-24-2002, 05:55 PM | #18 |
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for me personally......it has to be Theoden, even tho' he had little to do with the actual ring........his valour and honour (once restored) are remarkable for someone who had seemed so old, frail and doubtful...........a brilliant character .......only death was the future for theoden on the road he chose..yet he chose it!
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So if i slip over when trying to steal a ring and fall into a volcano i can be a hero 2? sorry aint seeing ur reasoing. Gollum is an unfortinate person who i have pity for but hero no
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