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12-01-2001, 06:22 PM | #1 |
Hobbit
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arwens immortal? and an eowyn question to ponder...
i was just looking at lordoftherings.net and I was looking through the definitions of the characters they had. Well when i got to arwen, I already knew that they were making her a bigger role in the movie, but it said that in the movie she would have to choose between love and immortality. Did they just add this to make her a bigger part in the movie, or does this get brought up at all in the book? I thought that the only thing arwen does in the book is sit at the council, and aragorn has a crush on her. This also makes me wonder. Do you think they will make eowyn a bigger part in the next movie?
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12-01-2001, 06:26 PM | #2 |
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Yes the site is right when it says 'Love or Immortality', if she married Aragorn she would become immortal. Later in ROTK she says her choice is the choice of Luthien, to marry the one she loves instead of obeying her fathers wishes to stay with him.
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12-01-2001, 06:57 PM | #3 |
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CBG, I think you typoed. Arwen would have retained the lifespan of the Eldar only if she had departed with Elrond. By remaining in ME with Aragorn, she chose to accept the Gift of Men. (Death)
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12-01-2001, 07:29 PM | #4 |
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Elves are immortal unless killed in battle. However, marrying a mortal changes their fate.
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12-01-2001, 08:54 PM | #5 |
Hobbit
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ok
so is she a bigger part in ROTK? if she is, then maybe thats why they show her more in FOTR...
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12-01-2001, 10:41 PM | #6 |
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Don't ask that question if ya haven't read all the books yet!
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12-01-2001, 10:41 PM | #7 |
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Actually Darth Tater, elves can also die from greif. They mostly just can't die from old age...
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12-02-2001, 10:21 AM | #8 | |
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12-02-2001, 02:57 PM | #9 |
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HUH!!!
I dont remember anybody named Arwen in LotR!!! I thought the movie makers just made her up to add a romance side to the movie!!! oh well! time to read the books again i thinks! P.S. you say that this Arwen is going to have a large role in the movie. Do you think she'll become part of the fellowship?
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12-02-2001, 03:20 PM | #10 |
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She's there, but her role is greatly expanded in the movie. In the books, Arwen appears at the banquet celebrating Frodo's recovery at Rivendell. She sends Aragorn's banner to him through Halbarad. And she is present for her wedding to Aragorn. Gimli had planned to give Eomer a radical haircut if Eomer did not acknowledge Galadriel as the hottest babe of all after seeing her, but let him off despite Eomer's assertion that Arwen was better looking.
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12-02-2001, 04:27 PM | #11 | |
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12-02-2001, 06:09 PM | #12 |
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That's a fair counterargument, Wayfarer. However, I'm not convinced that the cause and effect relationship holds. With both Arwen and Luthien, there were considerations other than their spouses that contributed to the necessity of a choice. I concede that the relation is possible, but unproven logically. We simply do not have enough data points to be able to eliminate all the variables.
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12-02-2001, 06:45 PM | #13 |
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My argument is this: One of the pair must change destinies, and this need not be from immortal to mortal.
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12-02-2001, 11:39 PM | #14 |
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12-06-2001, 03:07 AM | #15 |
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i agree with IP.
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