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Chapter 4 -- The Keeper of the Keys
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Chapter 4 The Keeper of the Keys This chapter starts as the conclusion of a cliff hanger from Chapter 3 (A banging at the door). Uncle Vernon was sure he picked a good place for him and his family to hide out from magical letters and other unusual happenings. The beginning of chapter 4 lets us know that Uncle Vernon was wrong in a big way. I find "The Keeper of the Keys" to be a interesting chapter that really begins to open Harry's eyes to who and what he is, some of his history and some information about his parents. The Chapter ends with Harry agreeing to go with Hagrid to Hogwarts to learn to be a wizard. Some important points of this chapter (IMHO):
Some questions that come to mind:
Some final questions that I just thought of are: What happens to the Dursleys? Will Dudley lose his tail? Will the Dursleys care that Harry is leaving them? (When they had Harry, they treated him worse than Cinderella.)
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07-29-2006, 10:12 AM | #2 |
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*wow* different.
now for some answers. 1) because that would make harry feel special, and more important then the Dursley's. Also, it would remind Patunia of what she lost (lily) when l went to Hogwarts, and so p doesn't want to bring back those painful memories. 2) maybe because Hagrid knows of the connection between Tom Riddle and Voldemort (via dd?), and so hates him because he got Hagrid expeld, and so couldn't continue to be a normal wizard. also because of the giant killings? 3) From the mugglenet/leaky cauldron interview: "ES: This is one of my burning questions since the third book - why did Voldemort offer Lily so many chances to live? Would he actually have let her live? JKR: Mmhm. ES: Why? JKR: [silence] Can't tell you. But he did offer, you're absolutely right. Don't you want to ask me why James's death didn't protect Lily and Harry? There’s your answer, you've just answered your own question, because she could have lived and chose to die. James was going to be killed anyway. Do you see what I mean? I’m not saying James wasn't ready to; he died trying to protect his family but he was going to be murdered anyway. He had no - he wasn't given a choice, so he rushed into it in a kind of animal way, I think there are distinctions in courage. James was immensely brave. But the caliber of Lily's bravery was, I think in this instance, higher because she could have saved herself. Now any mother, any normal mother would have done what Lily did. So in that sense her courage too was of an animal quality but she was given time to choose. James wasn't. It's like an intruder entering your house, isn't it? You would instinctively rush them. But if in cold blood you were told, "Get out of the way," you know, what would you do? I mean, I don't think any mother would stand aside from their child. But does that answer it? She did very consciously lay down her life. She had a clear choice - ES: And James didn't. JKR: Did he clearly die to try and protect Harry specifically given a clear choice? No. It's a subtle distinction and there's slightly more to it than that but that's most of the answer. MA: Did she know anything about the possible effect of standing in front of Harry? JKR: No - because as I've tried to make clear in the series, it never happened before. No one ever survived before. And no one, therefore, knew that could happen. MA: So no one - Voldemort or anyone using Avada Kedavra - ever gave someone a choice and then they took that option [to die] - JKR: They may have been given a choice, but not in that particular way." 4) because he's not a fully qualified wizard. 5) Hagrid is a giant, and is "the keeper of the keys" 6) because dd knew he was innosent with the basilisk, and probally wanted to informally complete his training. 7) maybe they were stuck on the rock, until harry and hagrid come back from their shopping trip, to take them back to Privit Drive. 8) He'll have it privately removed in London. 9) simple answer: NO!
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also, the classic speaking of a bad event and immediately "knocking on wood"...it's a play off old superstition.
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yeh, touching wood is supposed to bring good luck to the person who touches it.
Ohh, and Hagrid's very rude, isn't he. He knocks down their door, forces Dudley to move, and before he even introduces himself, he tells harry that he looks like his dad etc, etc. That's just totally rude, don't you think.
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and u forgot the tail; poor dursley; really that i thought was the worst bit; otherwise, i mean, he said sorry for knocking down the door, and these things are hard for half-giants; he was just knocking, and it fell off. and evry1 who meets Harry tells him the thing abt his father... and its as good a introduction as any; 'I knew ur father, kid.'
and when someone just pointed a gun at you, after making u run around for days, ur probably not too keen on manners unless ur Dumbledore; imagine if it had been Sirius who'd come, not Hagrid...
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And i don't think anyone would send a half-giant half way round the country, just to give one boy a letter, even if it is harry potter. no, they sent the by magical means, and when the Dursley's were trapped, that's when they sent Hagrid, so they couldn't escape. If i was meeting anyone from the magical world for the first time, i'd rarther meet sirius, because i think he would explain himself, and how he knew harry's parents, before complementing them and him.
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i never thot he was that rude, myself... anyway, the magical means you're talking abt, were all done by Hagrid, they said he was allowed magic on this one mission, wich is partly y he wanted to do it... and its not anyone, its dumbledore who did it;
besides, leaving the door bit apart, he had been trying to get harry the letter for ever so long, and the dursleys tried to best to stop him; I'm sure that induced no kind feelings for him. Besides I have a feeling a meek knock at the door and may I come in, Mr. and Mrs. Dursley would not work. And, as for the whole not introducing himself, it seems a prevalent practice in wizard society... remember Dedalus Diggle, and the other wizards who shook his hands and ran off, etc. Anyway, Harry didnt seem to mind... he was, after all, quite desperate to meet someone who actually knew him, and after all, the letters must have piqued him; Hagrid may have been a stranger, but Harry must have guessed he was the one who had sent him the letter...
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Unfortunately I have heard of true stories of children being malnourished by their legal guardians for years without the authorities discovering about the mistreatment of the children until years of time have passed.
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ohhh, i didn't realize that you didn't want us to refer to later in the book.
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While I understood that we could make comments with our knowledge from later in the book/series, I thought I would bring up points that the reader may not currently be aware of at the current point in the story. I was very much in the dark about much of HP until I completed reading the books. Even after reading all six books, there are some areas that are unclear to me. (either I forgot the reference from previous books or I skipped over the relavent material.) Either way this is no big deal. The important point is to hear peoples thoughts in the various chapters.
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i thought we could bring in relevent bits from the later books, and talk about them in these early chapters, so that it would increase our enjoyment with them as a whole.
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Jumping in: I just wanted to bring up the idea of Hagrid's title being "the keeper of the keys." I think this has more meaning than just that he has keys to the doors. What do you think?
It might have to do with the fact that a key is how you enter a place, and for Harry, Hagrid is how he is getting there/ being introduced to the school. It is through Hagrid that Harry is entering the school (and the wizarding world). Also, notice that it is he that brings the first years over from the train, so they enter Hogwarts (for the first time) through him in a way. Another thing: (this is from later on, though) Fluffy is the first impediment to the stone, the way to get through the first door is to get past Fluffy -- Hagrid holds the "key" that unlocks it, that is, the answer to how to get past. I have a feeling that his being the keeper of the keys will will have a bearing on something in book 7, whether literally or again symbolically. |
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Hagrid was permitted to use magic in reaching Harry and delivering his message. IIRC, Hagrid was not permitted to use magic once he found Harry and delivered his message. (I think there is a brief mention of this when Hagrid causes the boat to travel quicker than normal.)
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i heard somewhere that she's following an alchamy prossess of black, white and red. Sirius is gone, as is dd, then the future doesn't look too brigth for hagrid...
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ah, i too read that. i believe it was in an article posted by jammi...at least, that's where i found it.
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Found it. This is the article in question.
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Anyone?
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