Mannish Sorcerers

Hyarmendacil · 03-05-2003, 12:00 PM

There is an idea, that Men were not using magic and sorcery in Middle Earth. Is this true? What about those 9 Human Kings, who took the rings? It is said, that amongst them were great sorcerers. What about the Mouth of Sauron, who was in fact a Man. He was skiled in Magic. That means, that Humans had physical ability to control magic. There were other examples too, like Cardolanian smiths, who forged enchanted swords.

Blackboar · 03-05-2003, 12:10 PM

I don't really have that much to say on the topic, but Sauron was a maia, not a man.

Falagar · 03-05-2003, 12:18 PM

Well, they would perhaps have to be instructed in magic some way, by Sauron or someone else skilled in magic.

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I don't really have that much to say on the topic, but Sauron was a maia, not a man.

It says "the Mouth of Sauron".

Artanis · 03-05-2003, 03:21 PM

Tolkien said somewhere that Beorn was a Man. He was a master in shape-shifting, which you may regard as 'magic'.

afro-elf · 03-05-2003, 08:07 PM

Yeap, they could do it. I'll try to find one of the old post and place here.

Celebriel · 03-05-2003, 08:12 PM

Tolkien never wanted many creatures to be "magical", correct? I read that since the tales are told through the eyes of Hobbits, ordinary things to the Elves would be 'magical' to the Hobbits.

But I need to brush up on "The Hobbit". Continue talking. ^_^

afro-elf · 03-05-2003, 08:16 PM

http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ighlight=magic

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03-05-2003, 12:00 PM	#1
Hyarmendacil Sapling Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5	Mannish Sorcerers There is an idea, that Men were not using magic and sorcery in Middle Earth. Is this true? What about those 9 Human Kings, who took the rings? It is said, that amongst them were great sorcerers. What about the Mouth of Sauron, who was in fact a Man. He was skiled in Magic. That means, that Humans had physical ability to control magic. There were other examples too, like Cardolanian smiths, who forged enchanted swords.

03-05-2003, 03:21 PM	#4
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with FÃ«anor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Tolkien said somewhere that Beorn was a Man. He was a master in shape-shifting, which you may regard as 'magic'. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

03-05-2003, 08:07 PM	#5
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Yeap, they could do it. I'll try to find one of the old post and place here. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-05-2003, 08:12 PM	#6
Celebriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 139	Tolkien never wanted many creatures to be "magical", correct? I read that since the tales are told through the eyes of Hobbits, ordinary things to the Elves would be 'magical' to the Hobbits. But I need to brush up on "The Hobbit". Continue talking. ^_^ __________________ ~ Celebriel ~ Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes. ~ __________________

03-05-2003, 08:16 PM	#7
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ighlight=magic http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ighlight=magic http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ighlight=magic http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ighlight=magic http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...ighlight=magic __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-05-2003, 12:10 PM	#2
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	I don't really have that much to say on the topic, but Sauron was a maia, not a man.

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