THE Gandalf MYSTERy

congressmn · 01-23-2003, 12:30 PM

Does ne one know where he comes from. It's too mysterious--his origin. Too mysty a charachter he is.
So where does he come from?
How old is he?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-23-2003, 12:44 PM

Gandalf comes from Valinor. He is a Maia of Manwe the head Vala. Gandalf's name in Valinor was Olorin

congressmn · 01-23-2003, 01:05 PM

O thanks. Mystery solved in 1 line.

*game over, the thread shud be closed now*

Andúril · 01-23-2003, 01:51 PM

In order to confuse congressmn, I will say that Gandalf came from the Timeless Halls of Eru. Additionally, I will say that Gandalf came from a part of Ilúvatar's mind. Yay!

congressmn · 01-23-2003, 02:11 PM

o good one. You really confused me now.
*Shud remain open now, mystery not yet solved*

Beleg Strongbow · 01-23-2003, 02:19 PM

Well, in the Silmarillon it points out that all of the Valar and Maiar (collective term = Ainur) came originally from Eru Illuvatar.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-23-2003, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Beleg Strongbow
Well, in the Silmarillon it points out that all of the Valar and Maiar (collective term = Ainur) came originally from Eru Illuvatar.

End of mystery.

Elf Girl · 01-23-2003, 04:22 PM

I will add that Saruman, Radagast and the Blue Wizards came from the same origins.

He was "born" before the world was created, so there is no real way to say how old he is.

Insidious Rex · 01-23-2003, 06:44 PM

I always thought it was the Valar that were actually directly created by Iluvatar. And that when they "sang" their music created other spirits such as the maiar. Am I off base here?

Sminty_Smeagol · 01-23-2003, 06:59 PM

Gandalf is my grandmother. She is so senile sometimes...

Wayfarer · 01-23-2003, 07:06 PM

Elf Girl · 01-24-2003, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
I always thought it was the Valar that were actually directly created by Iluvatar. And that when they "sang" their music created other spirits such as the maiar. Am I off base here?

I believe that all the Ainur were created together, but I'm not sure.

***Jonathan*** · 01-25-2003, 04:55 PM

Gandalf is an Istari. Istari is the order of Wizards, the Maiar who came to Middle-Earth a thousand years after the beginning of the Third age. There are five known Istari. They are Olórin (Gandalf), Curumo (Saruman), Radagast, Alatar and Pallando.

***Jonathan*** · 01-25-2003, 04:57 PM

A funny thing about the Wizard is that they all have colours associated to them.
We have Gandalf the grey, Saruman the white, Radagast the brown and Alatar and Pallando, the blue wizards.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-25-2003, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elf Girl
I believe that all the Ainur were created together, but I'm not sure.

Hmm? An Elf isn't sure about the Ainulindale?

Elf Girl · 01-27-2003, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Hmm? An Elf isn't sure about the Ainulindale?

*whacks Gwaimir Windgem over the head with her bow* Of course I'm sure, you fool. I'm just... forbidden to tell! That's it! *dazzlingly sincere smile*

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-27-2003, 08:24 PM

*whimpers softly*
Ok, ok, I believe you, just...please don't beat me!

goodwarlord · 01-27-2003, 09:05 PM

probably like 800 years old or sometin'?

goodwarlord · 01-27-2003, 09:23 PM

Oh, and how old is he. does it tell, how do u know?
Freaky man!

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-27-2003, 09:37 PM

He is older than Middle-Earth. He's been in Aman for a LOOOOONG time, no doubt. He's been in Middle-Earth for about 2000 years.

01-23-2003, 12:30 PM	#1
congressmn Incharge: neighbourhood security Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on my 499th post Posts: 481	THE Gandalf MYSTERy Does ne one know where he comes from. It's too mysterious--his origin. Too mysty a charachter he is. So where does he come from? How old is he? __________________ i am nothing. i am a cold stone, which deceives with the light it reflects, giving illusions of warmth.

01-23-2003, 12:44 PM	#2
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Gandalf comes from Valinor. He is a Maia of Manwe the head Vala. Gandalf's name in Valinor was Olorin __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-23-2003, 01:05 PM	#3
congressmn Incharge: neighbourhood security Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on my 499th post Posts: 481	O thanks. Mystery solved in 1 line. game over, the thread shud be closed now __________________ i am nothing. i am a cold stone, which deceives with the light it reflects, giving illusions of warmth.

01-23-2003, 02:11 PM	#5
congressmn Incharge: neighbourhood security Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on my 499th post Posts: 481	o good one. You really confused me now. Shud remain open now, mystery not yet solved __________________ i am nothing. i am a cold stone, which deceives with the light it reflects, giving illusions of warmth.

01-23-2003, 02:19 PM	#6
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	Well, in the Silmarillon it points out that all of the Valar and Maiar (collective term = Ainur) came originally from Eru Illuvatar. __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

01-23-2003, 01:51 PM	#4
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	In order to confuse congressmn, I will say that Gandalf came from the Timeless Halls of Eru. Additionally, I will say that Gandalf came from a part of Ilúvatar's mind. Yay!

01-23-2003, 04:22 PM	#8
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I will add that Saruman, Radagast and the Blue Wizards came from the same origins. He was "born" before the world was created, so there is no real way to say how old he is. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

01-23-2003, 06:44 PM	#9
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	I always thought it was the Valar that were actually directly created by Iluvatar. And that when they "sang" their music created other spirits such as the maiar. Am I off base here? __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

01-23-2003, 06:59 PM	#10
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	Gandalf is my grandmother. She is so senile sometimes... __________________ I love the fishes.

01-23-2003, 07:06 PM	#11
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Yes. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-25-2003, 04:55 PM	#13
*Jonathan* Entmoot Attorney-General, Equilibrating the Scales of Justice, Administrator ♎ Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 3,891	Gandalf is an Istari. Istari is the order of Wizards, the Maiar who came to Middle-Earth a thousand years after the beginning of the Third age. There are five known Istari. They are Olórin (Gandalf), Curumo (Saruman), Radagast, Alatar and Pallando. __________________ An unwritten post is a delightful universe of infinite possibilities. Set down one word, however, and it immediately becomes earthbound. Set down one sentence and it’s halfway to being just like every other bloody entry that’s ever been written. ☻

01-25-2003, 04:57 PM	#14
*Jonathan* Entmoot Attorney-General, Equilibrating the Scales of Justice, Administrator ♎ Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 3,891	A funny thing about the Wizard is that they all have colours associated to them. We have Gandalf the grey, Saruman the white, Radagast the brown and Alatar and Pallando, the blue wizards. __________________ An unwritten post is a delightful universe of infinite possibilities. Set down one word, however, and it immediately becomes earthbound. Set down one sentence and it’s halfway to being just like every other bloody entry that’s ever been written. ☻

01-27-2003, 08:24 PM	#17
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	whimpers softly Ok, ok, I believe you, just...please don't beat me! __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-27-2003, 09:05 PM	#18
goodwarlord Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kiel,Wisconsi Posts: 102	but how old is he? probably like 800 years old or sometin'?

01-27-2003, 09:23 PM	#19
goodwarlord Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kiel,Wisconsi Posts: 102	Is that how old he is? Oh, and how old is he. does it tell, how do u know? Freaky man!

01-27-2003, 09:37 PM	#20
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	He is older than Middle-Earth. He's been in Aman for a LOOOOONG time, no doubt. He's been in Middle-Earth for about 2000 years. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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