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Old 08-17-2002, 03:59 PM   #1
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What should we, the US, do with the remains of the terrorists?

Well the US government has identified 9 of the terrorists' remains from the Pentagon and the plane that crashed into Pennsylvania.

The governments or families of the perpetrators don't seem to be in too much of a hurry to come and claim them. And it will be up to the US government to either store them away forever, bury them, or throw them in the garbage where they belong. Do we want our tax money going to store these pieces of flesh of people that killed 3,000 americans? Do they deserve any respect after what they did? Hey for all we know they may be up there with 72 virgins (doubt it) - so what does it matter.

I think we should send the remains to US aquariums and zoos and use them as food for the animals and fish. There probably isn't much left though. We can use them as fertilizer maybe. Maybe they can be just sprinkled in the cement of a walkway leading up to the many memorials for the victims - that way Americans can have the satisfaction of walking all over them. I could probably get a lot of exercise just walking back and forth on top of them.

What do you think is a fitting way of getting rid of these remains would be?

One person whose wife died in the Pentagon attack said -
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Old 08-17-2002, 04:31 PM   #2
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Act with maturity, don't stoop to their level. Inter them in an unmarked mass grave.
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Old 08-17-2002, 04:35 PM   #3
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Act with maturity, don't stoop to their level. Inter them in an unmarked mass grave.
I am acting with maturity - they deserve NO respect or honor in my eyes. Instead of a mass grave though - we can throw them into the ocean - or maybe just use them to feed the seagulls.

We can use them to feed our national bird the Bald Eagle. Wouldn't that be a symbolic message to have them eaten by the bird that represents America.
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Old 08-17-2002, 04:39 PM   #4
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Exactly. They don't even deserve the energy it takes to plot revenge on them. Better to rankle them by obliterating their memories in an anonymous hole, than to have them endeared to our memory in some block of concrete. Nothing could be more insulting to them.
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Old 08-17-2002, 04:41 PM   #5
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I'm against death penalty, so I vote for the use of your tax money.
But then, I live in a small, peaceful country up north, far from the US, where we haven't experienced any terrorist attacks and therefore do not fear them.
In other words, I don't agree with you, but I understand your feelings.

Edit: Sorry, I just discovered you were talking about the remains of the terrorists. Just ignore me, hasty enting.
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Old 08-17-2002, 04:44 PM   #6
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I'm against death penalty, so I vote for the use of your tax money.
But then, I live in a small, peaceful country up north, far from the US, where we haven't experienced any terrorist attacks and therefore do not fear them.
In other words, I don't agree with you, but I understand your feelings.
What does this have to do with the death penalty at all???? They're dead - they killed themselves along with over 3,000 Americans by crashing FOUR planes into 3 different buildings and one into a field in Pennsylvania. By the way - we're generally a peaceful country too - in case you're implying we're not.

I am gald that you added the line "don't agee with you, but I understand you feelings." I wasn't talking about the terrorist that we're capturing though. I'm talking about the dead scum that took our own planes and killed 3,000 innocent people inside of 2 hours.

By the way - I doubt the mass grave would stay unknown for long - someone would talk. Then it wouldn't be long before there was a long line of Americans waiting to just piss on their graves or desecrate them in some form. So my suggestions are probably better in the long run.
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Old 08-17-2002, 04:49 PM   #7
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JD, please see my previous post, I used the edit button.
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Edit: Sorry, I just discovered you were talking about the remains of the terrorists. Just ignore me, hasty enting.
Thanks. Sorry I came across a little harsh in my reply. The Twin Towers are a little bit close for me - so this whole thing is bit personal. I've never hated anyone in my life, but there is no denying the fact that I hate them.
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Old 08-17-2002, 05:02 PM   #9
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Well, I don't love them either, but I couldn't just throw them in any old place.

Remember: Justice is just a fancy word for Vengeance.

I would just bury them in unmarked graves. I couldn't defile anyone's remains.

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Old 08-17-2002, 05:10 PM   #10
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Remember: Justice is just a fancy word for Vengeance.
I don't agree that Justice is a fancy word for vengence. If we didn't have laws that had consequences - why would people follow them. You're looking at anarchy then.

I do agree that my suggestions are vengefully motivated - which is entirely different than if I was seeking justice. I'm seeking less than what someone feels when they see a dead animal in the middle of the road basically.

I'll calm down after a while - but there would be a huge outcry if the government decides to be politically correct and bury the remains according to Islamic customs.
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Old 08-17-2002, 05:18 PM   #11
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It's OK JD, no offence taken.
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By the way - we're generally a peaceful country too - in case you're implying we're not.
Just to clear this up: You're reading me wrong. That's not what I meant. I meant peaceful in the sense that it is a small country in a corner of the world, and that people have never really experienced fear and can't imagine how they would feel if a terrorist attack should occur here.

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I figured that out from your posts. Revenge may have a good taste, but ... feeding them to the animals? That's too barbaric, even in this case.
Anyway, I go for the mass grave thing. As for the Islamic burial, they are not 'whole', are they? So it would be impossible to do it, even if you wished to.
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As for the Islamic burial, they are not 'whole', are they? So it would be impossible to do it, even if you wished to.
I'm not sure - because they manage to have burials for suicide bombers - and they're definitely not whole. So I'm not sure how that works. Oh - and my Anti-American/American Bashing radar was just set too high. Sorry.

Actually - my personal burial wish at the moment is to be cremated and spinkled in my favorite places - the Jersey Shore, Princeton and the summit of Mt Hood in Oregon. That's for myself - not the terrorists obviously.

I don't want to give the terrorists a human burial. Like I said I'll probably calm down after a while. Can't we just throw them out with the garbage? Their families aren't even claiming them.
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Old 08-17-2002, 05:41 PM   #13
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That third paragraph in your first post is music to my ears, JD. But they're not good enough to be fertilizer donch know?
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Faramir - I think you misunderstood the question - read JD's first post.
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Ok hate to have a go at your national pride indeed these men did evils things but you should respect the remains of the dead its just the right and proper thing to do no matter how bitter a pill it is to swallow. the US should send them to Afganistan and Just adress them Osama Bin lardin Afganistan see if he comes and honors people im sure he sees as heros. If he collects them mail then bam kill him dead.

Show what a coward he is and america would come out as the bigger and better man.
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What does this have to do with the death penalty at all???? They're dead - they killed themselves along with over 3,000 Americans by crashing FOUR planes into 3 different buildings and one into a field in Pennsylvania. By the way - we're generally a peaceful country too - in case you're implying we're not.
Sorry to nitpick but it there wasn't just Americans killed in those attacks.

Whenever a terrorist dies in Northern Ireland, they are always seen by their supporters as great heroes for 'The Cause', they are seen as martyrs, freedom fighters etc despite their evil acts. They are then given an extragant terrorist funeral with a 21-gun salute and so forth, breeding more hatred for the enemy. This kind of thing will happen should America send their remains back home.
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Sorry to nitpick but it there wasn't just Americans killed in those attacks.

Whenever a terrorist dies in Northern Ireland, they are always seen by their supporters as great heroes for 'The Cause', they are seen as martyrs, freedom fighters etc despite their evil acts. They are then given an extragant terrorist funeral with a 21-gun salute and so forth, breeding more hatred for the enemy. This kind of thing will happen should America send their remains back home.
Uve a point and been from northan ireland you definally know your stuff. But i just fele its the right thing to do sending them bk. And whats more demaging sending them back and been the mature and responiable nation or refusing to and upsetting a lot of allrey mad afganies.
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I don't know what to do with the remains, but we shouldn't store them or give them a decent burial. JD's ideas sound pretty good.
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I don't know what to do with the remains, but we shouldn't store them or give them a decent burial. JD's ideas sound pretty good.
JD idea is stupid im sorry. Im trying to avoid america bashing but if you go round acting like that it does nothing but support why the afgans dont like you (and a lot of the rest of the world).

I can see why this is a difficult issue for you. Your nation has never faced an attack before really and your not sure how to deal with it. In england we are used to people having a pop and over the years have lost the lives of thousands upon thousands of Britians in the battle of britian. Its character building and we didnt stoop the the Nazis level because we knew were were better and you my american friends are better than stooping to the level of petty gestures of insolance against evil people. Forgivness is a great thing to have.
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