01-28-2003, 10:15 AM | #1 |
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Greatest of the Edain
I have seen this topic elsewhere and I just wanted to see the opinions of the members here.
Who do you think is the Greatest of the Edain? I would say that it had to be Húrin the Steadfast, not only he was the greatest warrior among Men, but he endured the Gaze of Morgoth himself and his tortures for over 28 years, withouth hope of release or rescue.
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
01-28-2003, 10:21 AM | #2 | |
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01-28-2003, 10:27 AM | #3 |
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And the father of Dragons, no less!
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01-28-2003, 10:43 AM | #4 |
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Has to be Hurin.
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01-28-2003, 11:10 AM | #5 | ||
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Húrin was captured in the Nirnaeth to allow the Hidden King to hide himself, and he took out the Troll guard of Gothmog. From the Lays of Beleriand: The Second Version of the Children of Húrin Quote:
While his son Túrin a great warrior himself, was daunted by the eyes of a servant of Morgoth, Glaurung.
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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01-28-2003, 12:27 PM | #6 |
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What is the definition of great? To be fearless and strong? Or to know fear, and still have the courage to go forward to your doom? I rever more those who fall in the last category, so one point to Beren there. On the other hand, Beren was driven by his love to Luthien more than a wish to conquer Morgoth, while Hurin was acting on behalf of all people in Middle-Earth against Morgoth. One point to Hurin.
If I have to choose I would say Hurin. But it is a close race.
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01-28-2003, 01:20 PM | #8 |
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Tour was never perverted or tricked to evil purposes as were Hurin and Turin, but he had much better fortune in his life. He many year as an outlaw in the moutains of Mithrim do not compare with what Hurin endured before he partially succumbed to bitterness and foolishness (he well should had recognized he was being used by Morgoth). Beren was less able to stand up to Sauron, with much more hope than Hurin ever had, but never turned to bitterness . Overall I would have to say Hurin, Beren, then Tuor.
Turin is not even in the running for me, with his bloated ego and many time resulting bad behavior and ingratitude, and his self centered behavior at almost all turns.
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01-28-2003, 07:23 PM | #9 | |
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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01-28-2003, 07:32 PM | #10 | |
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01-28-2003, 09:41 PM | #11 | |
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Well, Elrond’s list, given during the Council, was:
Hador Húrin Túrin Beren Of these, Beren was the mightiest fighter and lover, but Hador of Dor-Lómin is my pick, “mightiest of the chieftains of the Dunedain” and “peer of Elven-lords,” with his people "mighty among the children of Ilúvatar in the youth of Mankind.” Also I like the Rohirrim, his descendants.
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01-28-2003, 10:49 PM | #12 |
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Beor, just for being so old.
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Húrin could have wavered, he had no real hope of escape, no elf would rescue him, he was captured in the Nirnaeth so that the the hidden King could hide again, he could have turned into a slave of Morgoth, under tortures he didn't gave an inch. He endured 28 years in those conditions. While Beren was afraid when he was revealed to Sauron, and he wasn't even tortured yet. And we are actually comparing the two? Amazing! Quote:
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. Last edited by Maedhros : 01-29-2003 at 12:37 AM. |
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01-29-2003, 12:45 AM | #14 | |
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From the Lays of Beleriand:The Children of Húrin
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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01-29-2003, 01:13 AM | #15 |
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Hey, one handed man, lay off the small type, will you? It's getting on my nerves.
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01-29-2003, 09:18 AM | #16 |
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Húrin was IMO the greatest man, because of most of of the reasons already mentioned.
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01-29-2003, 09:26 AM | #17 |
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I'm thinking Hurin.
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01-29-2003, 09:43 AM | #18 |
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Here's another vote for Hurin.......
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01-29-2003, 10:03 AM | #19 |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Lady of Ithilien
[B]Well, Elrond’s list, given during the Council, was: Hador Húrin Túrin Beren Of these, Beren was the mightiest fighter and lover, Errr....no. Hurin is the migtiest fighter. And lover? Is there a reference to how good they were in bed? |
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