11-10-2004, 03:34 PM | #1 |
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The last 3 to be made?
It is stated in the Sil that the 3 elven rings were the last 3 to be made before Sauron took up the one ring. Now were these the fullfilment of the Elves or mearly as all there perdecessors mear triffals in craft? I mean surly they ment to make better or as powerfull rings for differents purposes? If so what do you think they would of been?
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11-10-2004, 03:41 PM | #2 |
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The Three were the most powerful rings that the elves made. They were, in fact, successful in doing what the elves wanted all along - allowing their wielder to hold back time and keep things they way that they wanted them to be. This is what allowed Elrond and Galadrial to maintain Rivendell and Lorien, respectively.
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I suspect that there was a learning curve for Elven smiths just like for any craft. The Rings would have been improved on with each repetition until the culmination of the Three. I further suspect that the Sixteen were variably powerful until Sauron corrupted them, making them homogenous, more or less.
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Yeah but my point is after ther three were made was that the end of the matter? did they not intend to make anymore? i mean thats is a completally hypothetical thread but its intresting to think what they might make and if they could of made a ring so potent to acctuaolly challenge the one
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I think there's a reference somewhere that when Sauron made the One, Celebrimbor became aware of him and his intent regarding the bearers of the other rings.
It would make sense, then, that the Elves realised that they had been partly duped into making these Rings, and that they made them vulnerable to Sauron. Hence, perhaps, it would be too risky to make any more. However, there are strong hints in the Hobbit and LOTR that there were other, lesser Rings in existence. |
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If by 'strong hints' you mean 'flat out declarations' then yes.
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But if he had delayed making the one how many rings of power more would of been made?
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Few if any I'd say. For in The Sil it says that Feanor could not make the Silmaril's like ever again so it is likely that Celebrimbor couldn't make any Rings of that power ever again.
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I think that any ring the Elves would make after the forging of the One Ring would always be overruled by the One Ring. It's then kind of pointless to make other rings, IMO.
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You have all clearly missed the point somewhat! the point is what would of happened if sauron had delayed taking up the one ring? what other ringts would the elves of made or was that the end of the matter? were the three the culmination of all there desires or was there more for them to set there mind one. was sauron rather hasty to take up and make the one?
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Considering that Tolkien said that the elves have some part of the guilt for trying to alter the world with the rings, we can suppose that although Sauron had not created the One the elves would keep forging more powerful rings able to alter the world into something more similar to their beloved "paradises lost": Beleriand, Tol Eressëa or Valinor... and that could be a bad thing for humans or dwarfs.
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So, you all think that the Three were like Gleowine's elegy of Theoden, and he would have made no rings afterward? I don't agree. I think he would have gone on making Rings, for that was his besetting sin, to make artefacts that would make Middle-earth more like Valinor. I'm not sure that would be bad for Men, Dwarves, and Hobbits, though. They all admired Lothlorien and Imladris and wanted to stay in those places as long as possible.
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I wouldn't call it his sin, but I agree he wouldn't have stopped making Rings. The Silmarils could not be remade (and not only because the Trees were lost) but I always had the impression the smiths of Eregion were not yet to their master piece in Ringcraft when Sauron made the One Ring.
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well i guess it would only make sense that the elven rings were forged last so that the craft could be perfected, because it was the elves who got tricked into making the rings to begin with
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I think they would have gone on, making rings. Feanor could never make comparsions to the Sils again, but as I see it, this don't work with Celebrimbor. the rings he made, even the three elven rings, can't be compared to the three sils in beauty nor perfection. I think he would have made more, but maybe after a time, he also would have been exasuted. but in the meantime, he would have gone on making rings. I don't think the three rings are the best that could be made. But for what purpose they should be made, I don't know.
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Hm. This is probably a somewhat different take on it:
warning: Random Thought Could Sauron have waited any longer to make the One Ring? Assuming that the Three were not the apex of Celebrimbor's skill (probably speculation either way), most likely any that were made afterwards would be even more powerful. The smiths of Eregion had Sauron's help in the forging of all the rings save for the last three, right? IMHO, the Elves seem to constantly be getting more independent in their work... The last three Sauron never even touched. However, they were still bound to the One. Would it have possibly been otherwise if Celebrimbor had gotten any better at creating the Rings? Hey, btw, does anyone know if the Nine and the Seven were of equal strength?
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