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i didnt know where to put this but why are lots of catholics against harry potter for having wizards?? i mean there is a wizard in lotr and there has never been controversy about that even with the movies? im catholic but i could care less if they think it is black magic or even if it is
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Well, there are certainly some major differences between the Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. The biggest one I can think of is that Gandalf is a divine being, an angel, sent by God's earthly representative, and stewards of Middle-earth, to unite the Free Peoples against evil. An interesting article on this can be found here.
I have the bad feeling that the mods will put this in the Harry Potter forum... ![]() ![]()
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yea its in the HP forum.
![]() hey GW why dont you like HP
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I don't know. The whole concept just seems a bit "silly" to me. Plus, it seemed to me to be something of one of those "kids against grownups" things, which I never was fond of.
Don't worry, I don't think it's the work of the devil. ![]()
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Well, I'm not Catholic, but there is a woman in my church who not only has a problem with HP, but LotR as well! Of course, I'm pretty sure she's never read it.
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Now, having a problem with LOTR is not just paranoid, but completely stupid.
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The Church doesn't condemn Harry Potter....it's just an entertaining book (for some). I'm sure that it's more of an individual's choice to accpet or reject it....it's just one of those things that people can't take too seriously. I do think, however, that it sould be reserved for older children becuse the whole "magic" thing is very tempting for younger children...they start to belive it because it is so "cool" or whatnot. I like the books...like I said they are very entertaining
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And actually, there has been criticism of LOTR from similar quarters. This site sums up such views, which you might find interesting (although it does make me feel slightly sick, especially the section on CS Lewis and Tolkien ![]() Harry Potter
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yep, i'm also a catholic and i haven't heard any chriticism from any catholic against HP.
i heard (about two years ago or so) something about a german town where the priest "forbid" the books, but it was not a catholic priest, i think he was lutheran.
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I'm a great fan of the Harry Potter books. Even if a little kid did take them a little too seriously, it's up to the parents to explain that Harry Potter magic and, say, Wiccanism is not the same thing. (And they're not... Harry Potter just encapsulates all of the bizarre little notions that kids have about wizardry to begin with, which is all based on Merlin and such.) Of course, when I was a kid, I didn't know anything about "real" witchcraft. If I had read Harry Potter then, I would have never mistaken the two. As for LotR being anti-Christian.... Tolkien would have a conniption fit if he discovered that his books, which he described as inherently Christian, are being misinterpreted so drastically. Some people are just really stupid. ![]()
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Actually, there are fundamentalists from a lot of Christian branches that think Harry Poter is "evil"- and not all of us Catholics think it's the work of the devil!
![]() In fact, a couple of months ago the Vatican said that Harry Potter books were OK because 1)There's nothing wrong with reading about magic. 2)The morals of the books are OK- the good guys win because of their virtues and effort, not because they can perform magic. I guess some people relate magic with Wicca as a religion, but this books have nothing to do with it. (And even if they did, why ban them?) What I wonder is how can people think CS Lewis wrote anti-Christian books when the Chronicles of Narnia are full of Christian references. ![]()
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I did go through a phase of being a HP witch. It was fun. ('No unforgivable curses in the house!' say my parents.)
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At the time, however, I had no idea that *real* witches really existed, or what witchcraft was. I had just watched a lot of silly movies and heard scary stories at halloween. It had absolutely nothing to do with Wicca, Satanism, or what have you. And it was fun!
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First of all, I would like to point out that being a Wiccan and being a Satanist are two incredibly different things. Satanism acknowledges Satan, for one thing, which is part of Christian theology--they're still working in Christian theology, just upside down. Wiccanism has utterly nothing at all to do with Christianity; and, moreover, isn't evil in any way. One of the precepts, if not the first, of paganism is do what you will if it won't harm others.
(Sorry if that sounded angry...I don't mean it that way.) People saying that LotR and Narnia are anti Christian is just plain ridiculous...and that's really all that can be said. I mean, all the evidence is against them...cripes. ![]() As for Harry Potter...I can see why people would freak out. (I think it's ridiculous that they DO, but I can sort of see why.) However, I think one is only allowed to ban/freak out about/forbid kids to read a book after one has actually read the thing onself. Honestly. Harry Potter isn't teaching "black" magic--it's a fantasy with kids learning spells. Which don't work. ![]() ![]() tano
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