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01-03-2002, 02:21 PM | #1 |
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Arwen in the Movie, How did you feel about her?
I Really Didnt like the portrayal, and she has the worst line in the whole movie
If you want him come and claim him Lame or what
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01-03-2002, 03:45 PM | #2 |
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I think you'll find identical sentiments from just about everyone here - myself included. Additionally, I think it really detracted from Elrond's percieved power when she called the flood by some type of verbal incantation (what was that!?). I think most of her role changes were unecessary (as were many of the films inconsistencies).
Though I thought Liv was cast well in appearance (she could spek Elvish to me all day ), and the the romantic bits between her and Aragorn were appropriate and well done.
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01-03-2002, 03:54 PM | #3 |
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Actually, most ppl here are cool with Arwen.
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01-03-2002, 04:18 PM | #4 | |
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I also think her elvish lines would be easily misunderstood by those not familar with the story. The flood itself was outstanding though. |
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01-03-2002, 08:35 PM | #5 |
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Oh, Liv Tyler can speak elvish to me anytime she wants.
And you know what? I really dug her cheesy lines! Despite what it may have done (and did) to the plot line I wanted to see more of her. Next Movie Project for PJ: Glorfindle's Revenge
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01-03-2002, 09:05 PM | #6 |
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I don't mind Arwen taking Glorfindel's 15 minutes of fame, but I don't like her taking Elrond's part in the flood.
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01-03-2002, 10:07 PM | #7 |
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Liv tyler looked the part, and she was a pretty good choice.
But the scripting they did for her sucked pretty bad. Also... I've heard comments that lead me to wonder exactly why The Ulairi would have been chasing her. Er... Nevermind.
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01-03-2002, 10:15 PM | #8 |
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I think Arwen is fine, especially the scenes with her and Aragorn. The only thing I thought was strange was the whole "Grace" thing. And she's not very elf-like, with the crying and the macho "come & claim" line. I liked the scene where she and Aragorn are talking by the shards of Narsil.
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01-03-2002, 10:16 PM | #9 |
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I have this to say: when she drew what was very clearly a sword and glared in a menacing fashion, I was worried about a warrior princess fiasco. Luckily, it just looks like she was using it as a prop for her li'l incantation to call the flood. While it could have been better (i.e. she could have not been there at all. ), it could have been worse - if she had started hacking at ringwraiths with that thing, it would have been all over for me. As for love scenes, they are add-ons and if you think there is room in a 3hr movie for this sort of thing, as long as they are short I can ignore them. Far be it from me to deny people a chance to see a pretty girl spouting romantic lines. We all know that you can't sell a movie if it ain't got a love story .
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01-03-2002, 11:19 PM | #10 |
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I liked Arwen's role. She showed a really wide range of strengths and emotion. I usually hate romantic scenes...I'm a tomboy in that way...but I liked hers. It seemed more noble than most. Except the inevitable, dreaded, kiss. Yucky.
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01-04-2002, 12:09 AM | #11 |
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I liked her role in the movie for the most part. However, like some of you already mentioned, I was a little disappointed they had her call the flood. It just seems to me like it took away from the power Elrond has. But then, that's just my opinion.
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01-04-2002, 02:54 AM | #12 |
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I thought she was great. She wasn't very much like Tolkien's Arwen, but that doesn't matter. She was great.
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01-04-2002, 07:07 PM | #13 |
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Well Thorongil, I for one agree whole heartedly with you. I was very disappointed with the changes they made to her character.
And just to clarify...it's not because I'm a Tolkien purist snob or anything. I actually think her scenes w/Aragorn in Rivendell are excellent. I think it's a good idea to show more of their romance now, so their marriage in ROTK makes sense. (The first time I read the books, I had no clue who Arwen was when she showed up again) Of course, romance sells well too...but at least they didn't invent one for the movie. I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that, while in Rivendell, Aragorn would have spent some time with Arwen. My point is, I support those extra scenes, because even though they're not in the book...they're consistant with the characters...unlike the race to the ford/flood scene. To the relief of those who have read my other Arwen rants, I won't reitterate everything here. Suffice it to say those scenes make me ill. (If you want to hear my rants, check out the "The worst change in FOTR" thread.
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01-04-2002, 11:12 PM | #14 | |
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01-04-2002, 11:51 PM | #15 |
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Arwen was pretty good imo. :d
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01-05-2002, 12:29 AM | #16 |
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Pretty good? I know for a fact that you liked her more than that!
Her role could have been much worse as someone stated previously. I can live with it for that very reason. It still kills me though that when ever I see her being interviewed either in a mag or on TV, she (or the article) always mentions that she can speak Elvish....like she can speak it fluently, when actually she is just quoting lines of dialogue. |
01-05-2002, 01:14 AM | #17 |
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Well, Lelondul, I do take exception. Although I don't really understand exactly WHY Arwen's role was expanded for the film, except possibly because of pressure for the studio bosses, I thought the role of Arwen worked rather effectively.
I've stated elsewhere that I was quite put off by the casting of Liv Tyler for this role, or ANY role in the film, as I have never been able to stomach her in any film, and yet I came away pleasantly surprised. The role worked well, she did an absolutely beautiful job, and I was completely taken with both Ms. Tyler, and the expanded role of Arwen. I thought the scene of her coming upon Aragorn and the hobbits in the wilderness was great, the scene at the Ford of Bruinen was effective, and was really deeply moved by the scene after Boromir threw down the hilts of Narsil, where she "bucks up" Aragorn, saying he was not Isildur, and would not make the same mistakes. I thought the scene of them together on the bridge was just magical. I gotta admit I got misty a couple of times by her performance. You know, it DOES puzzle me why Mr. Jackson and the screenwriters made this change in the film. Do you folks think it was solely for the "eye candy" factor, or do you think that perhaps there was a sincere desire to add a female character of power and strength to keep this from being solely a "guy movie"? I have stated, mayhaps ad nauseum, that Mr. Jackson was walking an incredible tightrope in trying to keep us Tolkien lovers happy and also in trying to pull in others who had never read the books. I think, at least with the changes to the story regarding Arwen, he pretty much ticked off at least a 51% majority of Mooters; but why would he make such a fundamental change to the story, we may ask? I've been fascinated by a lot of the comments I've read in the Moot, and there have been some very excellent opinions on the issue. I would have to say that the entire Arwen issue has got to be the biggest "bone of contention" in the entire film. I, for one, accept the changes in good humor and forgive Mr. Jackson in the name of artistic license. I know many of my fellow mooters disagree with me on this facet of the film vehemently and wholeheartedly. I for one love this interchange. It has made me appreciate the film all the more, on this eve of my going to see the film for the fifth time. Fair play to you all! This has got to be the best discussion group I've ever had the pleasure of joining. I'm probably biased because Tolkien is one of my favorite subjects... Nah. You folks are what makes it great.
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01-05-2002, 06:11 AM | #18 |
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i was certainly afraid of the perils of a "warrior princess" and thought that whole idea as unnecessay, but now i think i can understand where were they going with those added scenes to Arwen's character: the more they develop Arwen, the more they are developing Aragorn. the whole idea is a narrative device to make Aragorn motifs more understandable.
also the devoloping og Arwen gives light to one of the main themes of the book: mortality/inmortality and the doom of the elves.
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01-05-2002, 09:20 AM | #19 |
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I, too, didnt really like Arwen stealing Elrond and Gandalf's part in the flood...
Did anyone else notice that Arwen was riding with a saddle and all that human-horserider stuff? I thought an Elf wouldnt really need those.... |
01-05-2002, 10:03 AM | #20 |
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Black Riders and Arwen
When Arwen made the flood one of black riders acted dum because he just stood there looking at the flood.
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