11-06-2002, 12:58 AM | #1 |
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Stranger, more wonderful animals?
Just going through Sil again and I noticed that animals are mentioned that live in Aman, but not in Middle Earth. Are these things mentioned anywhere else? And what are they?
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11-06-2002, 03:09 AM | #2 |
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I'm not sure what you mean. Does it just say, "animals"? or does it specify what kind? I haven't read the Sil in a while.
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11-25-2002, 02:19 AM | #4 |
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Thats the quote, sorry my reply has been so long in the offing, but I've been away from the "moot" for a while. As far as I know there are no other references to these animals, I just thought you guys might know. Thanks
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11-25-2002, 07:57 PM | #5 |
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It's an intriguing idea, is it not? That'd be cool to see some of the strange and wonderful animals in any motion picture set in Valinor -- or animals the average person would not expect to find there, like Oliphaunts.
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I also find it interesting that Tolkien apparently did not wholly rule the possibility of that these strange animals might eventually turn up in ME (I use the "perhaps" at the end of your quote as a basis for this thought). How would this be explained in terms of Tolkien´s views on "evolution" in ME?
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But I don't know really what you are referring to. What has evolution got to do with it?
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So in Valinor there are all the creatures we do know about, and many creatures we do not.
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12-18-2002, 07:22 PM | #13 |
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If they ever make a movie out of the Silmarillion, they betta include some animals.
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Here, here!
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I don’t entirely agree with that interpretation, Ñolendil. I believe it is likely to mean that, since the marring of the world by Morgoth, (when he destroyed the Two Lamps), those species became extinct in Middle Earth, but survived in Aman.
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12-20-2002, 08:07 PM | #16 |
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I think that "and now never shall be, since the world has changed" is rather meant to mean "there is not now any way for those unseen creatures to come to Middle-earth and be seen". I don't think they ever lived here.
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12-23-2002, 02:04 AM | #17 |
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I agree Ñólendil, I got the distinct impression that said creatures did not and will not ever appear in ME. Which brings us back to the orideonal question "What were they?" Perhaps Tolkien just wanted to leave it ambiguous for the readers imagination, but that hardly seems like Tolkien.
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12-24-2002, 05:00 PM | #18 |
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I think it does sound like Tolkien, and awful lot like Tolkien. Some things he just didn't explain, and on purpose, think of the fate of Shelob, and the "nameless things" in the depths of Mória, think of Caradhras, and Bombadil, and Goldberry, and the Questioner of Barad-dûr, and many others. I think there was quite a bit Tolkien didn't care to clarify or explain.
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The key point is still that Tolkien used the word "perhaps".
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