11-27-2002, 10:42 PM | #1 | |
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Affirmative Action
I did a search and I didn't find a thread already on this.
I guess the Supreme Court is reviewing a case right now involving Michigan State - they should have a ruling as to whether theywill hear it or not. Quote:
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11-27-2002, 11:09 PM | #2 |
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I don't think race should have any effect whatsoever on acceptance into college, positive or negative. That's like saying "oh we need to make sure we accept enough people who own cats". It doesn't have anything to do with it to begin with. And the idea that there would be any issue or law at all implies that there is a difference and that race does matter, which really is discrimination.
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11-27-2002, 11:12 PM | #3 |
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i'm not sure i really fully understand what that's talking about. but is it about making a college to where it has the percentage of black people in the college compared to the percentage of black people in the state? cause if it is that doesn't make alot of sense to me. but since i'm not completely sure that's what you're talking about i'll shut up untill i know what i'm talking about
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11-27-2002, 11:15 PM | #4 |
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Sorry, Elven Archer, I understand it but I would rather let Jersey devil explain.
I agree with Katya and JD about this, i think it should not make any difference. If they made an ammendment that they have to talk about whether it is ok or not in this case I would say it is not.
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11-27-2002, 11:37 PM | #5 | ||
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One case in the article was where University of Michigan used a grading scale for it's applicants. Just for being black or a minority - they'd get bonus points. In other words - they could get accepted even if someone else had a higher GPA and SAT score and was declined. Quote:
I was friends (still am, althought she lives in Indiana) who is a black woman. At RR Donnelley they had quotas or affirmative action. She was transferred from another division to bring more diversity to the Seymour plant (there weren't a lot of people that even lived in Seymour that weren't white). I used to tease her that she took care of Donnelley's quotas for two different groups since she was a "Black WOMAN". Affirmative action doesn't only happen with race - sex is a big one too. Fire departments have lowered standards to get more woman fire fighters. My feeling is that the most qualified should get the job. If they can't pass the basic requirements - then they need to look at going or doing something else.
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11-27-2002, 11:59 PM | #7 |
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I think it is almost an insult to women when they choose women over more qualified men. Same with minority and whites. Because they are favoring you just for your race or sex
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11-28-2002, 12:01 AM | #8 |
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thanks for explainin' it. i was thinking that's what it was but wasn't too sure and i've stuck my foot in my mouth lots of times for talking about something before i knew for sure what it was. anyway thanks for spainlin' it better for me. i can't think of anything to say about it right now that ya'll haven't already said.
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11-28-2002, 12:14 AM | #9 | |
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People throw around the word "segregation" a lot too here. Saying our schools are still segregated or this or that school is more segregated. To me this is erroneous. The only way a school can be segregated is through the actions of government - which after the civil rights movement is illegal (as it should be). People generally go to schools within their neighborhoods or towns. Short of having quotas on the number of people of each race that can live in a neighborhood or town - I don't see a government solution. I think vouchers would be good - because then families can choose to send their chidren where ever is best for the child. Busing was a failed experiment in this - because it gave the parents no choice. Their children were forced to go to a different school across town or even in a different town in order to diversify the schools.
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11-28-2002, 06:32 AM | #11 |
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Concerning polotics, and elected officials, i think it's great if more women are in office but what's really important is that they are good candidate...i would never vote for someone on the basis of race or sex; only on whether or not their polocies are worthy and agree with my political views. er..
as for the rest of the issue, and what the thread was started about, well, i wouldn't go near that subject with a virtual ten foot pole. (although i just sort of did. *sigh*)
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Today it was announced that the Supreme Court has accepted to hear this case. Maybe they'll finally put an end to this reverse descrimination.
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12-02-2002, 02:54 PM | #13 |
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I am generally against affirmative action. There is a really good conservative black syndicated columnist (I forget his first name, his last name is Armstrong) who gives very good arguments against it. His position, which I agree with, is in part that affirmative action "dumbs down" expectations for blacks and other minorities, which perpetuates prejudicial views. Affirmative action is kind of like Title 9 (sports quotas for women in organizations that receive federal money), which was a good idea, but in practice it is illogical. I think there are enough safety nets in place so that minorities today have an equal chance at college admissions, and if they feel they were denied on the basis of race there are avenues to take to fight the decision.
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12-02-2002, 09:47 PM | #14 |
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I'm not particularly interested in affirmative action but I thought some of you might like to catch up on the news (I stumbled on this by accident)-
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...irmative_x.htm |
12-03-2002, 12:41 PM | #15 |
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I just have to wonder why they would be doctoring their applications like that... how would a more diverse student body benefit the school? Is it just to make it look like they don't favor one race over the other? If so, that's really not a bad thing... however, if they reject someone because of their racial background, as it seems they have done, that is exactly what they should be preventing.
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12-03-2002, 10:11 PM | #16 |
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I am against it.
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