09-17-2002, 04:43 PM | #1 |
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Who Hates Harry Potter?
I think it's the dumbest thing since "Instant Fire (just add water)." I don't understand all the hype. Anyone else?
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09-17-2002, 05:51 PM | #2 |
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oooo! me! i dont like harry potter! i haven't seem the movies, and do not want to. the books were, um, i have read worse, but really not that great. (by the way, my teacher read them to the class [that sure was a long time ago] and i did not read them by my own free will)
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09-17-2002, 07:56 PM | #3 |
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I agree that it is a little hyped, but you have to admit, it is one of the more creative fantasy sagas around.
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09-18-2002, 02:50 PM | #4 |
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it's a very nice book. I think that if it can be so famouse, there is a reason. many tolkien fans don't like HP, probably cause it's a good book, and it almost passed tolkien.
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09-18-2002, 05:59 PM | #5 |
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its no lord of the rings but its a very good book, a lot simpler and easier to read than tolkien
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09-19-2002, 04:22 AM | #6 |
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I didn't mind it, the book, I mean. I have only read Philosopher's stone. Too simple, I like books with depth
I didn't mind the film either
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09-19-2002, 02:14 PM | #7 |
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It's a lot deeper than in seems on the surface (if that makes any sense) but people overlook this because it's marketed at children.
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09-19-2002, 04:22 PM | #8 |
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Harry is a complicated book in the 4th book. I didn't understand it in the first time. It wasn't so simple. in the third book ?I didn't understand it well too in the first time. It's not *so* easy.
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It gets a lot more complicated as the series progresses, and it gets *very* dark and gritty. Case in point, in Goblet,
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I have read all the books and seen the movie. I read the books a couple of years ago, so I only vaguely remember them. I thought they were OK, not as good as Tolkien. But if they encourage kids to read, then I think Harry Potter is great. I didn't even remember
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09-21-2002, 07:50 AM | #11 |
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well, they weren't as good as tolkien, but they were very good. I liked them.
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09-21-2002, 02:30 PM | #12 |
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Oh come on, don't even bother comparing Potter to LOTR just because they're both fantasy. That's like trying to place Sherlock Holmes next to Encyclopedia Brown.
Not the best analogy there, admittedly. Why? Because I think Harry Potter is the greatest revival of children's fantasy since Baum's Oz. At times, its whimsy emulates Roald Dahl and Lewis Carroll. It's not only a thoroughly engaging story that pulled me in so deep I couldn't put any given volume down until two in the morning, it's also cleverly and delightfully written with adorably charming prose that tickled me, and emotionally involving enough to chill me. I firmly believe that J.K. Rowling is going to be remembered fifty to a hundred years from now as the tentpole children's author of this generation.
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09-22-2002, 10:15 PM | #13 |
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How can you compare Harry Potter to Tolkien at all? It's not even close. First off, the Potter stories are for children, thus, they are rather simple. Tolkien's writings have such depth. There's no comparison in my mind.
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09-23-2002, 02:45 PM | #14 |
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The difference is not in depth or quality - that's subjective. At a glance, Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea is "rather simple", but a lot of scholars seem to love analyzing it to death.
What is a clear difference between Harry Potter and Tolkien that makes them incomparable is their entire intent and register. You shouldn't compare the two for the same reason it's utterly futile to place Lewis Carroll and Charles Dickens side by side. I say that all such comparisons are bunk. And: the intent of literature for children does not necessarily make it "simple". Easy to read on the surface, perhaps, but depth is not merely inherent in the text; rather, it is largely dependent on the perceptions of the reader.
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09-25-2002, 11:05 PM | #15 |
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I have heard Harry Potter referred to as "LotR on training wheels". Perhaps this is an accurate description, perhaps not. It all depends on your point of view. I used to think HP was a good series, nothing special, then I started reading fanfics. Now, I will not read LotR fanfics for love nor money, because that's absolutely sacrilegious, to think that one could change history. HP is a tad more flexible on that count for a few reasons:
-It's not finished -It's much more a fantasy story, whereas LotR feels more like history -the characters are much more childlike and fun to work with So, now I love HP because of fanfics and because I don't try to compare it to LotR. If you think of it as a different genre from LotR, it becomes easier not to compare the two, to merely think of them as equally great stories of a different type, the way Irish music is different from Bach or Beethoven, the way ballet is different from jazz or tap.
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09-26-2002, 12:47 AM | #16 |
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That's a lot of sensatioalism (sp?? ) going on around that book. It can stand on it's own two feet (if it had them,) but please...
IT'S NOT THAT GREAT! Just calm down folks... Take a breather...
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09-26-2002, 01:33 PM | #17 |
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It's marketed at children, so to me it seems sort of ....well..... childish. There's nothing wrong with children and teenagers reading it. I even know a few grandparent-aged people who love Harry, but it's definitely not for me. By the way, I did read the first book and didn't like it, so you can't blame me for not trying.
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09-26-2002, 02:42 PM | #18 |
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I've read only the first book and I thought it really was a children's book. It wasn't bad but I can't say I was over the moon by it either. The hype's a bit overrated in my view. My sister hates HP with a vengence. She calls it 'Harry Rotter'.
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09-26-2002, 03:21 PM | #19 |
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I like Harry Potter... not nearly as much as LotR... they're not even comparable... but it's a good story nonetheless and one of the only 'newer' books/series I like... I stick more to Dickens, Tolkien, Mary Stewart, and so many other 'older' authors that I won't bore you by mentioning them. So, maybe the fact that I actually liked a 'newer' book made me like it more... I don't know... I'm in a rambling kind of mood.
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09-26-2002, 04:52 PM | #20 |
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I'm much more into older (as in old-fashioned) authors too, but JK Rowling's my favourite living writer, maybe because Harry Potter's quite traditional (though not unoriginal).
Since the most recent book was quite dark, and they're reported to be getting darker, the series doesn't look like it will be for children much longer.
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