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10-07-2008, 09:01 PM | #1 |
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The Last Battle: did King Tirian have a thing for Jill?
Did King Tirian have a thing for Jill, in The Last Battle? I sort of thought so. Did anyone else?
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10-08-2008, 03:50 AM | #2 |
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I didn't get that idea, I rather thought he was just being chivalrous towards her. But then it's been a while since I last read that book.
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10-09-2008, 12:14 AM | #3 |
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I think he was impressed with her many talents, which are quite more numerous than they were in the previous book. And maybe he was a little taken with her, because in the Silver Chair, it said that Jill was able to steal the hearts of the GIANTS who were going to eat her, so maybe it is slightly plausible that Tirian found himself warming to her.
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12-17-2008, 09:51 AM | #4 |
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It's been a while since i last read this but i understand why you would ask this question as from certain points you could definately think Landlord Insurance but it does also seem to be more about chivalry as was pointed out in an earlier post!
She does have many talents, which of course could mean that maybe the king was taken by her but for a definitive yes/no answer i would have to read up on it agian. Last edited by nathan3011 : 11-29-2011 at 07:33 AM. |
12-22-2008, 01:12 PM | #5 |
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I was under the impression, from the books, that Jill was less attractive than other girls at her school and this was one reason she was beat up on.
I'll have to re-read all the books featuring Jill, even though they were the ones I read most recently.
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12-25-2008, 01:06 AM | #6 |
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Chivalry, Sir, plain and simple. Admiration for her talents and skills, too. How about a genuinely FRIENDly interest, too, for good measure? But I have never read personal attraction in 35 years, myself.
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12-25-2008, 03:57 AM | #7 |
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You're not a very imaginative scriptwriter, Inked .
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12-25-2008, 11:05 AM | #8 |
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I don't know about Trinian, but I sure did
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12-25-2008, 11:38 AM | #9 |
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Perhaps he's faithful to the spirit of the books instead.
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12-25-2008, 09:54 PM | #10 |
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Wasn't Tirian like.. early twenties? Broad in shoulder, but yet without a full beard? Would that not be kind of creepy considering that Jill at the most could have been 14? MAYBE 15? I got the idea that adults didn't generally come into Narnia because they were called there. Only children (obviously Uncle Andrew was an exception... but he used the Rings) went there in times of need according to Lewis. After the Last Battle, I don't believe it counted anymore because a) Narnia was no longer in any danger of being in need and b) they weren't technically either adults or children in the real world. I think childhood ends approximately age 12/13. As in, that's how old I suspect Peter and Susan were when they were told they couldn't return to Narnia. Peter might have been slightly older. But I have always seen Jill and Eustace as being about.. 10 or 11 in the Silver Chair and maybe a year-ish older in the Last Battle.
Just a thought.. but that's almost like pedophilism (is that a word?) and I'm pretty sure that was frowned upon in Lewis's day. I don't think Aslan would have held with such a thing, either.
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12-26-2008, 01:42 AM | #11 |
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I think the characters got older as the series progressed- or at least seemed that way- I'd have put Jill and Eustace as being 12 in "The Silver Chair" and 14-15 in "The Last Battle".
Of course,ages were flexible within Narnia- otherwise, you'd hardly have a 12-year-old Edmund being described by the Telmarine lords as a fell warrior.
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Jill, on the other hand, had not become an adult in Narnia, so she would seem only 14 or 15 or whatever her real age was. And the King might have been impressed with her abilities, perhaps just because she was so young and still was having such abilities.
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Anyways, I don't know, but I thought Jill was a little older than that. |
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12-27-2008, 12:39 AM | #14 |
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I don't ever recall any straight-out romancing in the Narnia books, except between Shasta and Aravis. And that was pretty rough going for Shasta, poor guy. .
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12-27-2008, 01:53 PM | #16 |
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Hehe yes, I read that bit a doy or so ago when I was looking for some answers to Midge's question.
As the philosopher rabbi says in Candide. Something about wanting to get married multiple times so as to enjoy fighting more often.
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Jill was still in school. I always thought she was maybe 13, most likely younger. I also thought that Tiran was just being polite because she was a "lady".
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11-01-2009, 06:14 AM | #18 |
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Checked it out on the Narnian Timeline- according to that, Jill was only nine during "The Silver Chair", but was 16 in "The Last Battle"- that was surprising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narnian_timeline
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11-01-2009, 11:23 PM | #19 |
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Oh, wow. That's a long time for a lull. I had thought it was like, only a year or so.
I think I would make a great Jill for the new movies
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Actually, upon re-reading TLB, I'm wondering if Lewis wasn't building a romance between Jill and Eustace.
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