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State of the Union Address 2004
I figured I'd post this now and have it as an advertisement that Tuesday January 20th the President will give the State of the Union.
I was wondering how many people will be watching it and why or why not? I for one will be watching it - because I think it is important to know what the president has to say - whether you agree with him or not. I always watched Clinton's State of the Union speeches and I have always watched Bush's. After the State of the Union - this can also be the place where people discuss the speech. I was also curious how many other countries get to see the President's State of the Union speech uncut or is it pretty much just filtered through your media. Since it's at 9:00pm Eastern I seriously doubt people in Europe get to see it live. Also - do they show the other party's rebuttal - in this case the democrats?
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Thanks JD. I plan to watch it. Like you, I always try to see it, regardless of whether or not I like / agree with the current President.
You mention one thing that I could do without: the rebuttal from the opposition party. I might just turn it off at that point this year. The US Constitution calls for the President to make an annual report on the State of the Union. It COULD be a time of pulling together. There is NO constitutional requirement about having someone opposed to the President getting in the 'last word' on the matter. Having that is simply divisive. Perhaps the State of the Union address has become so partisan (over many years - not just of late) that some consider this fair? Many the networks just like to have our attention that much longer? But I don't like the opposition response - didn't like it when the Republicans did it while Clinton was President, and don't like it when the Democrats do it while Bush is President. |
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I have no problem with the opposing side giving a rebuttal to the State of the Union Address. Both sides really have to be taken with a grain of salt.
Bush is going to play up the a rise in the economy. As anyone who has taken statistics knows, the numbers can be played with and/or interpreted to give the results you want. I expect him to either completely eliminate from the speach or downplay the fact that there are so many people unemployed or under-employed, and many people returning to jobs are taking jobs with little or no benefits at all, and for less money. Though I'd be shocked if he brought in space exploration and moon base proposal to offset the war in Iraq. I don't even think he'd do that. I'll be in class, so I won't be watching it. I'm sure there'll be plenty on cnn.com and in the newspapers the following day. On a side note that is slightly tangent to this topic. I'm seriously disappointed that the redistricting of Texas went through. |
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I don't know when the rebuttal came in. I agree - their shouldn't be a rebuttal. it's the state of the Union. The president used to not even go to Congress to give it - they used to just write it out and send it to them. That of course was before TV. I wonder if they did the rebuttal during the days of radio - or if it is just a result of TV.
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I've heard before who was the first President to actually give the State of the Union report as an address... not sure anymore, but was it Eisenhower?? Anyone know? |
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You can however read the State of the Union speech on http://www.Whitehouse.gov once they release it, but in my view - it's still not the same.
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I don't know how long the State of the Union normally is (but knowing politicians, it'll probably be long) but it'll probably be shortened in the our national news. Something like "In his State of the Union, president Bush said this and that.... "with a short piece of video of said president acompanying.
I don't think we would ever show such a speech of a foreign ruler 'life' on the national TV-stations or uncut (if it's too long) anyway. I also don't think they'll have it edited that much that'll seem completely different from the original, though. If I've time tomorrow night (and if I remember it) I'll look at the news, and I'll tell you how they did it.
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What is the 'State of the Union Address'?
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States are Constitutionally mandated to redistrict after the census. It's every ten years - no matter who is in power - the districts have to reflect the new census data and new population growth. All districts HAVE to have the same number of people. Every representative in a state represents the the exact same number of citizens. They try to get all the states to have as close to the same population/representative as they can. So one representative in NJ - represents the same number of people as one representative in Calirfornia. As populations shift and change - the districts must be changed to keep them in line. States also gain and lose representatives based on growth. This is the way NJ does the redistricting (this is the legislative redistricting anyway - I think we do it the same for Congressional redistricting)... Quote:
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All Im saying is the way its done now is simply bogus. Why cant they have a system where an impartial body sets the districts and not the WINNERS of the elections? I mean does that really make sense? To let the winners rig the game?
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What frustrates me about this is the Democrats have been doing the same thing for years. But now that the roles are reversed, the media is making a story about it and people are up in arms. Same with the 'winner take all' system with congressional committees. When the Democrats controlled both houses for decades, it was just fine & dandy that they chaired every single committee. Now that the Republicans hold the majorities, it's suddenly not fair! Puh-lese!! The Democrats are such whiners! |
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Well as I said I think the whole concept is corrupt and both parties have taken advantage of this. Now there are a lot of people who think the republicans have really taken it up a notch recently but thats a subject for others to debate and Im more concerned with the inherent faults of the system.
Well theres got to be a more independent group out there then the actually winners of the elections themselves even if there are some token losers thrown in. And if we need to worry about people bribing them then we are back to square one. there should be an individual (like a judge) or a body of equivalent stature who can base the districts on figures alone and not use sophisticated computer programs to maximize their parties power while still declaring they are following the population rules and therefore everything is above board. the rules need to change in that case.
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