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Yule-tide in Eriador - Speculation
Since one of Tolkien's purported purposes was to create a mythology for England, I wonder if his inclusion of a "Yule" season in the calendars of the Shire and Arnor represents the start of an attempt to explain the origins of the (pre-Christian) Christmas traditions of Northern Europe.
In Appendix B, I believe he only mentions the "Yule" as part of the Shire calendar. Yule 1 is the last day of each calendar year, and Yule 2 is the first day of the next calendar year. In "Peoples of Middle Earth" this is also the custom in Arnor (but not Gondor - maybe the early-mid winter celebration is more needful where the winters are harsh). Also - he says there that the Yule season extended to the week before and the week after. (Uh - I think I got those details right - but it's been a couple months since I read it.) So - now that we're just 12 days from ROTK, and just 20 days from Christmas, I'm thinking Christmassy thoughts - and can't help a Middle-earth overlap. I envision maybe big family gatherings for the Northern Dunedain - as well as opportunities for all the unmarried young folk to get acquainted. Maybe a nice warm fire, with a Yule Log, maybe the use of an Evergreen Tree (lighted?), decorations of holly & ivy, maybe mistletoe ... heck, maybe even some traveling minstrel elves joined the festivities, dressed in bright red & green... feasting, singing, gift-giving, sleigh rides, romance (EDIT: Oh - and snowball fights!!)... whatever would create memories to help you get through the next 2-3 months of a northern winter without central heating, humidifiers, modern insulation, etc. So... anyone else want to add to my vision of Yule-tide in early/mid third age Arnor and associated areas??? Especially interested in input from our Euro-friends, who might be more familiar with the actual origins of some of these things. I imagine that even the customs we imported or brought here with us are practiced differently than they are back in Europe... Last edited by Valandil : 12-05-2003 at 01:23 PM. |
12-24-2003, 10:50 PM | #2 |
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When I read that, I did notice that the word Yule was used, which is also used for Christmas. I guess there must be some connection, but I don't quite know what. Your ideas were interesting.
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Yes - the Romans had some sort of winter solstice celebration - which I think was sort of incorporated into Christmas when the Roman Empire was Christianized. In northern Europe, the Celtic / Germanic peoples also had celebrations at that season - so as they became Christianized themselves, those customs worked their way into Christmas. I think a great number of our traditional Christmas symbols come from the latter - like evergreen trees, holly & ivy, etc (though of course, not the Baby Jesus, Joseph & Mary, Angels, Wise Men, etc. ). Not sure of the origins of the word 'Yule' - but since Prof Tolkien was so interested in developing a mythology (ie, a quasi-historical setting to explain how things came to be) for England, I would guess this was also from those ancient northern Europeans. Anyone else know? I think I've heard there was a "Yule Log" which was burned at this time... anyone know much about that??? |
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Are we close enough to Christmas yet for me to bump this one?
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So, what does that have to do with Yule in Middle Earth? Very little. \ Tolkien did make an impressive show of corrolating the Shire Calendar with the Gregorian Calendar. I'm expecially fond of his explaination of where the days of the week come from (Star-day, Sun-day, Moon-day, Trees-Day, Heaven's-day, Sea-day, High-day). Much nicer than the real origin of the days of the week (taken from the names of the roman and norse gods)
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11-05-2004, 03:31 PM | #6 |
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Merriam-Webster's Unabridged has this etymology: Yule
\Yule\, n. [OE. yol, [yogh]ol, AS. ge['o]l; akin to ge['o]la December or January, Icel. j[=o]l Yule, Ylir the name of a winter month, Sw. jul Christmas, Dan. juul, Goth. jiuleis November or December. Cf. Jolly.] Christmas or Christmastide; the feast of the Nativity of our Savior. It seems to be the Anglo-Saxon celebration of the Winter Solstice, which would predate them celebrating Christmas. I have not a clue as to what the celebration would entail, but, in the Shire, I suspect large family gatherings with lots of beer, food and presents. That's how they seem to have celebrated everything else.
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That said, the fallacy in your reasoning can easily be redirected toward an interesting extrapolation regarding Hobbit customs in the Vale of Anduin. With the Shire calendar,Tolkien was clearly addressing an obvious ancient northern (European) tradition (the observance of winter solstice) in colloquial Hobbit fashion. (That is, they didn't have dreadful winters in Gondor, although the Ered Nimrais experienced snowfall -- hence, the special observations of winter were peculiar to the northern peoples). Quote:
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The lithe months draw upon a Middle English usage referring to weather to name the mild summer months (mild in the north, of course). In the Shire, the Lithedays (the middle days of the year) and the Yuledays (the last and first days of the year) were "the chief holidays and times of feasting". The retention of the names in the calendar implies that these traditions were more likely related to the customs of the Vales of Anduin than the customs of Eriador (although there were Edainic peoples in Eriador in the Second Age, we don't know what customs the Numenoreans retained when they founded Arnor). The feasting would correspond with the ancient Germanic (heathen) feasts which were adapted by Christianity. The Shire-folk would no longer understand why the feasts were celebrated. But the discussion of the calendars implies they may have inherited ancient customs associated with the feasts (one can imagine songs, dances, and decorations -- perhaps even old stories in modified form). To that extent, I envision larger gatherings, perhaps of clans and villages, rather than simply family celebrations. |
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It is obvious that one of the Lossoth (remnant of the Forodwaith that live on the Cape of Forochel) used to come down to Arnor and the Shire and Bree on a sleigh of reindeer and slid down the chimneys to deliever presents to the good little dunedain, hobbits, and other boys and girls. They would hang stockings on their mantelpiece (except the hobbits who didn't wear anything on their feet) and put up a mallorn tree with decorations and...
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Finally getting a chance to read 'The Athrabeth...' from Morgoth's Ring.
I noted the use of the word 'Yule' - so perhaps Tolkien intended this to be a VERY old term among Men... possibly Elves as well - since it makes an appearance in this First Age story.
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as it has been repeated some call christmas "yule". yule is also an wiccan holiday for the 21st of december.(it is for the winter solstice. )
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yes, for example here in Norway we call it 'Jul', which is almost the same thing as Yule.
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Today is the First Day of Winter... which was originally when the 'Yule' was set (though I don't know if it's 'Yule 1' of the Old Year or 'Yule 2' of the New Year - I suspect the latter).
So... HAPPY YULE!!!
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HAPPY YULE evryone!
this is the day the sun "turns".
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Happy Yule!
Too bad I spent the largest part of the Longest Night studying for an exam that didn't go well anyway. *sigh* Think Happy Yule-thoughts, Eärniel, happy thoughts, it'll be holidays soon...
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