08-14-2001, 10:38 AM | #1 |
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Romance in Middle earth
THere is a lot of romance in MIddle Earth among the most unlikely couples. A good example is Thingol who wedded Melian the Maia, and then there is Beren and Luthien (of course) which is also quite unlikely. Surely the most tragic unlikely couple is Turin and his sister/wife.
Who's your favourite couple in Middle-Earth, whether likely or unlikely? What is the most touching scene that you know from any of the Tolkien Books? I found Hurin's meeting with Morwen at the Stone of the Hapless in the Silmarillion very moving. Two old people, long separated, just quietly keeping each other company until Morwen dies with the sunrise.... |
08-14-2001, 05:05 PM | #2 |
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One of the romance stories I think would make a great movie is that of Amroth and Nimrodel.
Or did you mean just in The Silmarillion? Another tragic love story is that of Aegnor and Andreth, which I think you only read about in the Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth published in Morgoth's Ring.
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Ok this is nothing spectacular, but I loved the joining of Eowyn and Faramir.
A strong, brave girl who has a mind of her own and in my opinion Faramir was just the man for her. I dont think he would ever have willingly confined her spirit. Faramir struck me as a very free soul. I never wanted Eowyn and Aragorn together. On my first reading, having not read the appendixes, I had no real idea that Aragorn was really in love with Arwen. Call me silly, but I missed those L'il clues the first time through... However my heart sang with joy when Eowyn and Faramir found each other and became friends and finally had that first moment of hand holding.
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The story if Turin moved me the most. I find it to be the most tragic character in middle heart.
And Faramir RuLeZ!!!
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The Narn I Hin Hurin almost seems Shakespearean to me.
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08-17-2001, 11:11 AM | #6 |
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I loved Turin too -- it was just so sad.
I wanted happy love, thats why I would pick Eowyn and Faramir. I've also got a thing for Ithilien***
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Indeed the love story of Aegnor and Andreth in the Athrabeth was very moving and sad. I wonder if Andreth would have been more understanding to Finrod, if he had told her of his own broken heart.
Not an unlikely couple, but sort of a sad parting is that which occurs between Finrod and Amarie, especially when Galadriel asks him why he has no wife, and the forsight comes upon him and he sees his death. I also think the last moments together of Hurin and Morwen were very sad. |
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That's a good point about Amárië, I didn't even think of her when I read the Athrabeth. I wonder who or what specifically prevented her from coming into exil with Findaráto. I mean the idea is just that she was prevented because she was of the Vanyar. The Valar would not have prevented any Eldar from leaving Aman of free will, that's not their way. I doubt they would have set a ban upon the Fair from leaving. I guess her kindred prohibited her going, or else she herself chose not to go, not to fall under the Doom of the Noldor for any love.
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¿that much? he could have come back to her the moment he would want. Elves could abandon life to go rest at Mandos' and the come back with their couple. I think Finrod loved her, but not enough to give up ME. That was his prime choice: to enjoy all Iluvatar's creation, from elves to men, from forest to animals... Love that can wait so long is an odd love.
This makes me recall Galadriel leaving Celeborn at ME. What sort of a wife is that? or what sort of a husband that who let her go to enjoy spring at Valinor with his friends Elrond and Gandalf only because he wanted a bit of free time to play poker with Elladan, Elrohir (sp?) and some other guy of the party?
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Another thing is, the Three Rings losing their powers may have been rather traumatic for their wielders/bearers. I think Galadriel and Elrond were weakened by it , and needed to get to Valinor before they faded.
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very true, Sister GH, i forgot the banishment of the Noldor.
easterlinge: then all the fault was of Celeborn.
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08-20-2001, 06:39 PM | #14 |
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Elenna: I just couldn´t agree more with you!!
Eowyn and Faramir are so special and their love story is so simple... as you can see I have a thing for Ithilien as well... The love stories in the Sil are also wonderful, but they have a much greater air around them. The same goes for Aragorn and Arwen... they are royal lords and ladies and their stories sound too high for the simple things. The only one from the Sil that doesn´t give me that impression is Beren and Luthien´s one... they are more human (even though Luthien wasn´t human at all ) and their love story seem more down to earth for me... even considering all the grand and almost impossible things they did for each other. But they are always magnificent in their own way, specially the tragic ones... Last edited by Lady-Ithilien : 08-20-2001 at 06:40 PM. |
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Ah yes, I suppose I forgot about Elenwë
The Ban did not prohibit the fëar of the Noldor from returning after 'death', which I think is what Fat Middle meant. But in that case, they could only die of their own free will in a state of great grief and you can't very well choose to fall into a black pit of despair. You either have the will to live or you don't. easterlinge, once in Eressea (or Valinor if they went there afterwards), they wouldn't have faded. That can only happen in Middle-earth, as I understand it. Then again, according to one late writing, the Valar themselves fade: Quote:
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I had forgotten about the foresight of Finrod in that conversation with his sister too, until today when I read the chapter again.
I think Finwë was indeed the single exception. Even that caused a high debate among the Authorities. I think this element you speak of stands as a good illustration of the less than free will and fate of the Quendi as opposed to the Hildor. Not that this is a bad thing in any way, it's just that Elves don't (or didn't) have as much free Will as we do. Once sworn, oath or pledge, by words, by heart or spirit, it holds you, for good or ill. It is not very easy to abandon such things and seemingly seldom attempted or (even less often) achieved.
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