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Unfinished Tales Discussion Project
Last Updated 2012: On indefinite hiatus due to insufficient interest
STILL LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS! For those who haven’t been able to participate in the previous chapter-discussions, the idea of this discussion is for everyone to re-read the chapter before stepping into the discussion. People will post an intro to a previously chosen chapter, after which the discussion is opened for everyone. A bit like a book-club, really. But as this is a book-discussion, keep references to the movies to an absolute minimum. The movies have their own forum after all! How you decide to write your chapter-intro is entirely up to you. [edit: Please include 'UT discussion' in the thread title] You do not have to focus too much energy on the intro itself, as long as you get enough together to get a good discussion started. If you’re entirely clueless how to start, let me give you some suggestions that might get you a bit further. This is how the other chapter discussions were run but this method isn’t always applicable for all the UT chapters as they do not always form one narrative.
[NOTE on the dates: The dates are guestimates, so the actual dates may fall later.] CHAPTERS: PART I: THE FIRST AGE 1. Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin by Varnafindë [The Túrin chapters 2, 3 & 4 will be skipped. They can be referenced if we ever do a Children of Húrin chapter discussion.] PART II: THE SECOND AGE 5. A Description of the Island of Númenor by Voronwen 6. Aldarion and Erendis by Eärniel 7. The Lines of Elros: Kings of Númenor by hectorberlioz 8. The History of Galadriel and Celeborn by jammi567 Tentative deadline: 7th of June 2010 PART III: THE THIRD AGE 9. The Disaster of the Gladden Fields by Valandil Tentative deadline: 21th of June 2010 10. Cirion and Eorl and the Friendship of Gondor and Rohan by… Tentative deadline: 5th of July 2010 11. The Quest of Erebor by Coffeehouse Tentative deadline: 19th of July 2010 12. The Hunt for the Ring by Gordis Tentative deadline: 2nd of August 2010 13. The Battles of the Fords of Isen by… Tentative deadline: 16th of August 2010 PART FOUR 14. The Drúedain by Eärniel (unless others would like to do this chapter) Tentative deadline: 30th of August 2010 15. The Istari by hectorberlioz Tentative deadline: 13th of September 2010 16. The PalantÃ*ri by… Tentative deadline: 27th of September 2010 Do not forget to look at and include the material in the introduction, notes or appendices attached to your chapter! You can go ahead and now request what chapters you want to intro. [EDIT 1/12/2009: People can now do more than one chapter-intro]. It will be first ask, first pick. Some of you have already shown an interest in a specific chapter, but I'd like you now to confirm that choice, if you please. Usually chapter discussion last between 2 through 3 weeks to give anyone the opportunity to participate. The longer chapters such as Tuor or Aldarion & Erendis have so far been given 3 weeks, the other two. I’ve given tentative deadlines dates. These dates, naturally are open for change in case of delays and such. If you know in advance that you will be unable to do your chapter, please post that here or PM me, so that we can reassign it. If you decide to leave/ take a break from Entmoot, please show us the courtesy of letting us know you won’t be here to put up your chapter. Obviously a lot of what we discuss will have been discussed in other threads. That's okay. This is a separate project, and the other threads are for going into greater depth for a particular aspect of the books. Repetition is okay here. HAVE FUN!
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New chapter-by-chapter discussion?
It's been a while since we did a chapter-by-chapter discussion of Tolkien's work, and there are still some books left to choose from. I'm wondering if anyone is still interesting in such a project.
If so, we have two good choices, I think. Either we can do The Hobbit, although it may be more interesting to do this closer to the expected movie-release. Or we can take on Unfinished Tales. Is anyone interested or has suggestion/ options to share?
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09-18-2009, 04:02 PM | #3 |
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I'd be interested in The Hobbit. I was planning on re-reading before the year is over anyway.
You've got a point though that the movie release is pretty far away (December 2011). But then it might take a long while for us to go through every chapter and it would be nice to be finished before the movie hits theaters, wouldn't it?
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That's in HoME, right? I'm sort of doubting enough people can be found for a chapter-by-chapter discussion of that. Not many people own the series either. I'm thinking you just as well may start a thread on it, and not bother trying to fit it in a long chapter-by-chapter discussion.
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09-19-2009, 12:34 PM | #6 |
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Okay, your calculations provide some good perspective.
Doing The Hobbit in connection to the movie release (say, 18 months from now) might indeed be more interesting than discussing the book already. One approach would be to wait and see whether enough mooters can be mustered for a discussion and then see how many would like to wait and how many would like to start right away. Maybe it's possible to start with Unfinished Tales and then either finish it before taking on The Hobbit, take a break while discussing the other book, or do both parallelly. Thoughts?
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Sounds like a good idea to me. It's easy enough to take a break somewhere in UT if we haven't finished it before it's time to start on The Hobbit, since it's not one continuous story anyway.
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I can take The Hunt for the Ring, I have already written a lot about it, made the time-shemes etc.
It would be great if Alcuin took the Palantiri chapter - he is an expert on the subject. Voronwen with her love for Numenor could make a great job of the description of the island etc. Yet those chapters are not exactly at the beginning. At the beginning there are those boring First age stories... Any takers? |
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I am in for both Unfinished Tales and the Hobbit. Definitely the Hobbit though!!! Really can't wait... When do we begin?
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Can anyone link me to a similar discussion so i can see what would need to be done?
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Check out the subforum in the Silmarillion forum, as well as the one in the LotR forum.
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Thank you, Jonathan.
I don't know what to say, Gordis, except thank you for thinking i could do a good job. I suppose i could try.
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So we are decided then? First UT and then later The Hobbit to be finished before the movie release?
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I really ought to do Gondolin ...
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Well, i've never done anything remotely like this before and at first i was a little apprehensive at the thought, but think i'd feel bad if i didn't do this Thank you for the opportunity. I believe my love and reverence for the subject matter will get me through.
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I don't have the book though, but I guess I'll be fine since the University library has it ( what awesome library that is!).
I was wondering if I could do the chapters Aldarion & Erendis from the 2nd Age and the Quest of Erebor. Hopefully, if nobody minds, I'd like to do both...
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