01-02-2002, 06:43 PM | #1 |
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Gandalf is confusing!
Of all the characters in LotR, Gandalf is the one who confuses me the most. Maybe he's just too wise or something, but I don't get this!
1) In the TT: The Road to Isengard, Gandalf stops Legolas from going back into the wood in front of Helm's Deep by saying: "Do not go back into the wood, not yet! Now is not your time." Time for what? Does he think the trees will kill Legolas (not likely, since he's an elf!) or that Legolas wouldn't come back or something? 2) In the Bridge of Khazad-dum Gandalf says he is the wielder of the flame of Anor. Is he talking about his sword or some mystical power of his? Anor means setting sun (Minas Anor = Tower of the Setting Sun, correct?), but that doesn't help me any. Also, does anyone know anything about Gandalf before he fell in with Bilbo? I'm really interested in any pre-Bilbo & Frodo stories. Gandalf was friends with the Old Took, but what did they do together?
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01-03-2002, 08:00 PM | #2 |
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Gandalf is not just an old wizard! He was sent to Middle Earth from the West to challenge the power of Sauron. He is a Maiar...a kind of Angelic being. BUT, he was not allowed to use his full powers . Find a copy of "Unfinished Tales" to read more about Olorin , which was Gandalf's original name. Also read "The Tale of Years" in the appendices of LotR...(last part of RotK, it tells when Gandalf came over the Grey Havens, and why he was sent, and how he got his ring!)
Your question about Legolas is interesting. Without going back and reading that part over, I would agree with your second guess about maybe Legolas would want to stay in Fangorn.
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01-03-2002, 10:04 PM | #3 |
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I know Gandalf's not just an old wizard!!! I never said anything of the sort! And I have read the appendices. Thanks for the advice on Unfinished Tales though. I'll see if I can find a copy, but that's doubtful considering I live in Illiteracy-ville and haven't even been able to find a copy of the Silmarillion yet!!
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I think Gandalf's words to Legolas meant more or less 'We're going to Isengard, don't tarry among the trees.'
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And about not being able to find a Silm. copy...do you have a Wal-Mart around? Because I just found the Unfinished Tales at mine on Tuesday. I was really surprised. I always find something cool in their book section. Make that in ANY book section!
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01-05-2002, 10:57 AM | #9 |
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Re:Gandalf is Confusing
Then what kind of ring did Gandalf have?
Was it a Dwarf ring?A Elven ring?A man ring? Or did cirdan make another ring of power and told only gandalf and gave it to him? |
01-05-2002, 11:17 AM | #10 |
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Gandalf's ring, Narya was one of the three elven rings. Elrond's ring, Vilya and Galadriel's ring Nenya were the other two.
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I'm going to lay out my Gandalf/Anor sun theories here.
So Gandalf says he's a wielder of the Flame of Anor. 'Anor' means 'sun'. What then? Well, he's opposing the 'Dark Fire' and the 'Flame of Udun' and the Balrog. The maiden who guides the Sun is named Arien. In The Silmarillion as published we learn of her that she was Quote:
More likely, though, is my second theory. This has to do with the so-called 'scientific mythology' of Tolkien's. He was devising a mythology that was in accord with science, with a round earth from the beginning, rotating around the Sun and all that. You can learn about it in Morgoth's Ring, Myths Transformed. Note that in this new version 'Ea' is what we would call 'the Universe', Arda is the Solar System. Earth's name is Ambar or Imbar, I forget which. In one of these texts it is said that in Melkor's beginning Quote:
Anyway, I'll get to my point at long last. This brings new meaning to Gandalf's words. 'I am a wielder of the flame of Anor' may actually mean 'I am a wielder of the holy Light of Varda and the unsullied Sun' and so actually 'I am a wielder of the holy Light of the One', whereas the Balrog wielded the lesser 'Dark Flame' of Morgoth.
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Wow. This is way over my head. It does explain a lot though. Thanks for the info. Now I'd better read over it again!
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01-05-2002, 10:52 PM | #13 |
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Oy, my head's swimming from that one too. Good research there, Inoldonil.
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That is probably so, but the feeling I got was that the huorn were still riled up, and accidents... happen.
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You wanna watch out for that as well.
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08-22-2002, 05:24 PM | #18 |
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If you have no clue, then why the $%#@ are you posting?!
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You said it BoP. B***** annoying.
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Guys...
Go easy on entss89! Be tolerant... *can't say nearly as much as she wishes to*
Anyway, I believe that Narya had a ruby in it... and, if I remember correctly, a gold band? Either that or unspecified. I researched the elven rings of power a couple months ago. Wanted to buy cheap versions of each from ebay... heh Also, I was skipping through LOTR last night, looking for something on Gandalf, when I found that, I believe it was in the Council of Elrond, it mentioned all the other rings of power had a gemstone or jewell... except for the one ring, which was just a golden band. I had forgotten that they specified this and it makes me think back to a sort of official version of "the one ring" I happened across a while ago with all sorts of onyx and emeralds... argh Sry for getting off topic! -~*Sminty*~- Last edited by Sminty_Smeagol : 08-22-2002 at 06:13 PM. |
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