09-04-2002, 07:41 PM | #1 |
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Your thoughts on animal rights
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09-04-2002, 07:55 PM | #2 |
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Birds should be allowed to hold elective office?
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09-04-2002, 07:59 PM | #3 |
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Yes, but then there's the problem of them crapping every where. Oh wait: we like being crapped on, don't we?
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09-04-2002, 08:10 PM | #4 |
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Well i don't think the Constitution protects animals.
Also - I think all animals should be paw and claw printed and we should have weekly drug testing for all animals. Also they should all be required to wear identity collars and homing beacons so we know where they are at all times.
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09-04-2002, 08:25 PM | #5 |
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oh well.........animals should have the same rights as us.........
it's a shame that they don't steal, lie, cheat, rape, murder (with the exception of mink), go to war, or conciously treat each other with evil intent oh and if an enimal ever comes up with a chemical formula to make its life better (make-up, oil, smoking etc etc), maybe it will then prove itself to be intelligent enough to test it on a so-called "lower species" of life. animals should have right.............but only to protect themselves from us |
09-04-2002, 08:30 PM | #6 |
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Who are you kidding? We can't even protect ourselves from us.
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09-04-2002, 08:32 PM | #7 |
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exactly
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09-04-2002, 08:35 PM | #9 |
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I believe Ozzie was talking about intent, and the only animal that has shown an action weighed with "evil" (in the loosest sense of the word) intent, has been the chimpanzee; rapes, and murders, in fact. Bonobos on the other hand, use sex for everything. We should be more like them. But yes, we are nothing more than animals. Big brains are overrated. The only reason we do so well, is because we breed like rabbits, and are very adaptable.
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09-04-2002, 08:43 PM | #11 |
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yes but we are the only race of creature on this planet that will willingly commit genocide and will take a life in the name of "science". We will test a toxic substance on animals, even though we know it may kill them. my point was that nothing else on this earth kills for no reason. Darwin may have been correct with his "survival of the fittest" theory..........but wot happens when the fittest become the absolute........i.e. us...........wot happens is that we take absolute control (we are after, after all, the race with no natural preditors). |
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And "Survival of the fittest" was coined by Darwins grandfather, not Darwin. "Selection for the best possible fitness" is Darwin. And we do have natural predators.
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09-04-2002, 09:04 PM | #13 |
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perdanticsim......thy name is BoP.....thank the gods you're forcing me to use my brain
yes murders do exist in the animal kingdon (the minx as I have mentioned, and the chimpanzee). Tho the reasons behind those killings are far more simple (from an animalistic point of view) than the many reasons man kills other species (please view my earlier post as regards to our killing animals "in the name of science") I was aware that "survival of the fittest" was a phrase coined by Darwins grandfather (Darwin himself being a naturally (hehe) shy person) and postponing his own publications for many years before he used the phrase after his grandfathers death. I used the phrase here as it is usually connected with Darwins work. We do have natural predators?........news to me......I've lived perfectly happily all my life (a blessing) knowing that I would not be killed for no other reason than my own actions. |
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One could argue that the natural predator for the human is... the human. Humans are still susceptible to predation. Just maybe not in residential western society... unless you count housewives!
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Also - we have a ton of natural predators - our brain has just compensated and we have invented things that put us up at the top. But I dare you to walk into a lion's den or bear cave without a weapon. I personally have no problem with using animals to better the lives of mankind. Sorry - but that's how I feel. At the same time - it did not bother me one single bit with the original Planet of the Apes that Zera did experiments on humans and disected them. Many people I know hated the movies because it takes a hard look at that - as well as religion. If you want modern medicines and cancer drugs and HIV drugs and everything else- then we have to use animals - or else get a bunch of humans. If anyone is against animal experimentation and feels we should not use them - then I would expect those people to put their money where their mouth is and volunteer for the battery of experiments that is required for a drug to go through initial testing. Of course most of them will die - but it will keep the worlds human population in check and it is for a good cause anyway.
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Furthermore, is it really a "good cause"? Humans are parasitic. We strangle life very much like parasites. I don't know if I would call this a good cause.
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Why do you feel humans are parasitic? You seem to view everything that mankind does as being evil. It's sort of funny and sad at the same time. We also save and protect many animals too. We are the only species that can also think about instituting things that will save an animal from extinction. Humans aren't the only animal that causes another species to go extinct - but we are the only one that can conciously and DOES conciously do things to prevent it.
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I wear make up on occasion, but I only buy products that aren't animal tested. Many big companies now (like Loreal) use a type of synthetic skin to test their products on. That's fine by me. Quote:
And as you know, humans are responsible for more extinctions than any other factor.
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It isn't a good cause if we really want to test things we should test them on our own race not other animals.
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09-04-2002, 09:51 PM | #20 |
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While I am against animal testing for things like cosmetics and toiltetries, since we have other methods that are just as if not more effective, I am not completely against animal testing.
If it has to do with research involving things like cancer and genetic diseases, it doesn't really bother me. This is mostly because this could actually benefit us in a way that is more than petty, unlike cosmetic testing. Hmm...I'm reminded of an experiment done on rats. One set of rats were exposed to hard rock/metal music constantly, and another were exposed to classical music constantly (and then, of coures, your control). The rats that listened to the classical music got through mazes faster and their intelligence rose. They didn't get a change to test the hard rock/metal rats, because they ate each other.
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