Bilbo & Aragorn

GandalfTheWhite · 09-12-2002, 06:36 PM

Anyone else dissapointed that this friendship did not appear in the movie, i thought it was a really interesting pair, they werent even showed in the same scene at all!

Aeryn · 09-12-2002, 06:54 PM

I was disappointed by many of the little interesting things taken out of the movie, and the added part of Liv Tyler, but we can't have everything in life.

Sicirus · 09-12-2002, 08:09 PM

It would have been cool to hear Bilbo say that poem he wrote about Aragorn. I love that poem. I liked it better with Bilbo standing up for Araforn rather than Legolas. No offense to Legolas lovers though.

Aeryn · 09-12-2002, 08:13 PM

Hope i got your name write im doin' this as fast as i can. any way
Yeah I know what your saying there is alot more recognition and friendships that give the book depth and makes the movie ...well i dont want to say shallow but it makes you think they aren't real people makes you think it's just a movie

AND WE ALL KNOW that isn't true .....LOL

Sicirus · 09-12-2002, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by Aeryn
Hope i got your name write im doin' this as fast as i can. any way
Yeah I know what your saying there is alot more recognition and friendships that give the book depth and makes the movie ...well i dont want to say shallow but it makes you think they aren't real people makes you think it's just a movie

AND WE ALL KNOW that isn't true .....LOL

Yes we all know it happend in history. it was just forgotten by alot of "humans". Friendship is what really destroys the ring.

Aeryn · 09-12-2002, 08:21 PM

Humans, weak ones aren't they, Elves never forget.

so where are you from sicirus. ) ?I'm askin cause 1 im curious and 2 some body was from like northern ireland interesting people

***Rían*** · 09-12-2002, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by Sicirus
It would have been cool to hear Bilbo say that poem he wrote about Aragorn. I love that poem. I liked it better with Bilbo standing up for Araforn rather than Legolas. No offense to Legolas lovers though.

I agree - I really like that poem, and it adds another aspect to the whole M.E. story - makes you just wonder about the time that Bilbo and Aragorn spent together and all the things they talked about. They must have been rather close for Bilbo to stand up for Aragorn so heatedly.

Oh, well, I could have watched a 6-hour FOTR, but a lot of people couldn't, so lots had to be cut out!

Khadrane · 09-12-2002, 11:12 PM

I didn't notice the lack of their friendship, but now that you mention it, I do miss it.

Sicirus · 09-13-2002, 05:46 AM

I really don't think my parents would like me to mention were I am from but I guess I will tell you this. I am near DC.

Aeryn · 09-15-2002, 08:30 PM

DC? cool, I visited there once, a lonnnnnnng time ago, saw the white house. dont remember it, I didn't like the weather though.

Sicirus · 09-16-2002, 08:44 AM

Ya I like DC I visited there and saw alote of museums and momorials. And a bunch of rabid killer squirrels.

Aeryn · 09-16-2002, 08:58 PM

rabid killer squirrels...were they after Bill Clinton?!?

*hopes so*

**Nurvingiel** · 09-17-2002, 04:36 PM

I also think it wasn't necessary to make Legolas the one to stand up for Aragorn, but Legolas is cool.

Bilbo's poem about Aragorn was also in the letter Gandalf wrote to Frodo that Barliman Butterbur forgot to mail. That letter was given to Frodo at the Prancing Pony. I don't think that letter should have been omitted because it explained why the hobbits went off with 'Strider'. In the book, they trusted him because they knew he was a friend of Gandalf's. And Bilbo's poem kicked.

Ms. Undomial · 09-17-2002, 04:41 PM

I agree with you nurvingiel. We definitly needed the letter in bree.

Sicirus · 09-17-2002, 04:53 PM

Ya I agree . it also shows the real character of Barliman. And the friendship of Gandalf to him.( I know that really makes no sense at all, but I have a bad headach right now and I am not thinking clearly)

Luthien Tinuviel · 09-17-2002, 05:51 PM

That actually is my major gripe w/ the movie. I don't care that much about Liv's part, I was expecting it, but I don't like the way the hobbits took off after aragorn w/ out any proof that he was on the right side. (The only line that bugged me in that movie was "We have to trust him sam, we have no choice." )

*mutters* Did TOO have a choice...

Aeryn · 09-17-2002, 07:42 PM

I agree I mean you ALWAYS have a choice why make a discision (SP) based on nothing? If the story had the letter it would have made alot more sense to non-tolkienites. My cousin told me the frodo was stupid for going with strider based on nothing more than a guess and overall feeling when i saw it with her in theatres

***Rían*** · 09-18-2002, 01:39 AM

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Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Bilbo's poem about Aragorn was also in the letter Gandalf wrote to Frodo that Barliman Butterbur forgot to mail. That letter was given to Frodo at the Prancing Pony. I don't think that letter should have been omitted because it explained why the hobbits went off with 'Strider'. In the book, they trusted him because they knew he was a friend of Gandalf's. And Bilbo's poem kicked.

Yeah!! (on all of the above!!) That "we have no choice but to trust him" (or whatever it was) line was pretty stupid. And Viggo does this big SNIFF right then, too - give the guy a kleenex!

BeardofPants · 09-18-2002, 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by Luthien Tinuviel
That actually is my major gripe w/ the movie. I don't care that much about Liv's part, I was expecting it, but I don't like the way the hobbits took off after aragorn w/ out any proof that he was on the right side. (The only line that bugged me in that movie was "We have to trust him sam, we have no choice." )

Well that's one of my gripes.

I also didn't like it how PJ scare-i-fied Bree, and turned it into a dark and sinister place. Did he absolutely HAVE to do that?!

olsonm · 09-18-2002, 02:01 AM

Well, let's see: Strider knew what the Ring was and didn't try to take it, he knew that they were to meet with Gandalf (implying that he knew Gandalf), he knew all about the Ringwraiths, he saved Frodo and co.'s lives from the Black Riders (the way the scene is shot clearly implies that it was Strider's idea to trick the BR's with pillows under the sheets). The Hobbits didn't know where to go next and they needed someone to protect them from the BR's.

Given what Strider knew and did and the almost hopeless situation the Hobbits found themselves in (no where to go, no one to confide in, no protection from the Nazgul) it wasn't unreasonable to take a risk on Strider. In fact, in the book Frodo said he would have trusted Strider even if the letter hadn't shown up.

Of course I agree that it played out quite fast in the movie and still think they should have put the letter in. But I can live without it.

09-12-2002, 06:36 PM	#1
GandalfTheWhite Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 297	Bilbo & Aragorn Anyone else dissapointed that this friendship did not appear in the movie, i thought it was a really interesting pair, they werent even showed in the same scene at all! __________________ "Behold, I am not Gandalf the Grey, whom you betrayed. I am Gandalf the White, who has returned from death. You have no colour now, and I cast you from the order and from the Council." -Gandalf The Road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can, Pursuing it with eager feet, Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say. "He who breaks a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom." -Gandalf "A thing is about to happen which has not happened since the Elder Days: the Ents are going to wake up and find that they are strong." -Gandalf

09-12-2002, 06:54 PM	#2
Aeryn Bank'ress of Sith Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a hot-hot place, heh Posts: 913	I was disappointed by many of the little interesting things taken out of the movie, and the added part of Liv Tyler, but we can't have everything in life. __________________ my new account name feigndeath. This one is deactivated, I think.

09-12-2002, 08:09 PM	#3
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	It would have been cool to hear Bilbo say that poem he wrote about Aragorn. I love that poem. I liked it better with Bilbo standing up for Araforn rather than Legolas. No offense to Legolas lovers though. __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

09-12-2002, 08:13 PM	#4
Aeryn Bank'ress of Sith Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a hot-hot place, heh Posts: 913	sicrus Hope i got your name write im doin' this as fast as i can. any way Yeah I know what your saying there is alot more recognition and friendships that give the book depth and makes the movie ...well i dont want to say shallow but it makes you think they aren't real people makes you think it's just a movie AND WE ALL KNOW that isn't true .....LOL __________________ my new account name feigndeath. This one is deactivated, I think.

09-12-2002, 08:21 PM	#6
Aeryn Bank'ress of Sith Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a hot-hot place, heh Posts: 913	humans Humans, weak ones aren't they, Elves never forget. so where are you from sicirus. ) ?I'm askin cause 1 im curious and 2 some body was from like northern ireland interesting people __________________ my new account name feigndeath. This one is deactivated, I think.

09-12-2002, 11:12 PM	#8
Khadrane Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle Earth (I wish) Posts: 670	I didn't notice the lack of their friendship, but now that you mention it, I do miss it. __________________ Few know whither their road will take them till they come to its end. -Legolas FRODO LIVES! ABORTION IS HOMICIDE

09-13-2002, 05:46 AM	#9
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	I really don't think my parents would like me to mention were I am from but I guess I will tell you this. I am near DC. __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

09-15-2002, 08:30 PM	#10
Aeryn Bank'ress of Sith Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a hot-hot place, heh Posts: 913	sicirus DC? cool, I visited there once, a lonnnnnnng time ago, saw the white house. dont remember it, I didn't like the weather though. __________________ my new account name feigndeath. This one is deactivated, I think.

09-16-2002, 08:44 AM	#11
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	Ya I like DC I visited there and saw alote of museums and momorials. And a bunch of rabid killer squirrels. __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

09-16-2002, 08:58 PM	#12
Aeryn Bank'ress of Sith Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a hot-hot place, heh Posts: 913	hee hee rabid killer squirrels...were they after Bill Clinton?!? hopes so __________________ my new account name feigndeath. This one is deactivated, I think.

09-17-2002, 04:36 PM	#13
Nurvingiel Co-President of Entmoot Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,397	Bilbo's poem and the letter in Bree I also think it wasn't necessary to make Legolas the one to stand up for Aragorn, but Legolas is cool. Bilbo's poem about Aragorn was also in the letter Gandalf wrote to Frodo that Barliman Butterbur forgot to mail. That letter was given to Frodo at the Prancing Pony. I don't think that letter should have been omitted because it explained why the hobbits went off with 'Strider'. In the book, they trusted him because they knew he was a friend of Gandalf's. And Bilbo's poem kicked.

09-17-2002, 04:41 PM	#14
Ms. Undomial Custous Sanctus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your subconsicious.... Posts: 1,184	I agree with you nurvingiel. We definitly needed the letter in bree.

09-17-2002, 04:53 PM	#15
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	Ya I agree . it also shows the real character of Barliman. And the friendship of Gandalf to him.( I know that really makes no sense at all, but I have a bad headach right now and I am not thinking clearly) __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

09-17-2002, 05:51 PM	#16
Luthien Tinuviel Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 38	That actually is my major gripe w/ the movie. I don't care that much about Liv's part, I was expecting it, but I don't like the way the hobbits took off after aragorn w/ out any proof that he was on the right side. (The only line that bugged me in that movie was "We have to trust him sam, we have no choice." ) mutters Did TOO have a choice... __________________ The leaves were long, the grass was green, The hamlock-umbels tall and fair, And in the glade a light was seen, Of stars in shadow shimmering. Tinúviel was dancing there To music of a pipe unseen, And light of starts was in her hair, And in her raiment glimmering There Beren came from mountains cold, And lost he wandered under leaves, And where the Elven-river rolled. He walked alone and sorrowing. He peered between the hemlock-leaves And saw in wonder flowers of gold Upon her mantle and her sleeves, And her hair like shadow following. He sought her ever, wandering far Where leaves or years were thickly strewn, By light of moon and ray of star In frosty heavens shivering. Her mantle glinted in the moon. And on a hill-top high and far She danced, and at her feet was strewn A mist of silver quivering.

09-17-2002, 07:42 PM	#17
Aeryn Bank'ress of Sith Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a hot-hot place, heh Posts: 913	yeh I agree I mean you ALWAYS have a choice why make a discision (SP) based on nothing? If the story had the letter it would have made alot more sense to non-tolkienites. My cousin told me the frodo was stupid for going with strider based on nothing more than a guess and overall feeling when i saw it with her in theatres __________________ my new account name feigndeath. This one is deactivated, I think.

09-18-2002, 02:01 AM	#20
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	Well, let's see: Strider knew what the Ring was and didn't try to take it, he knew that they were to meet with Gandalf (implying that he knew Gandalf), he knew all about the Ringwraiths, he saved Frodo and co.'s lives from the Black Riders (the way the scene is shot clearly implies that it was Strider's idea to trick the BR's with pillows under the sheets). The Hobbits didn't know where to go next and they needed someone to protect them from the BR's. Given what Strider knew and did and the almost hopeless situation the Hobbits found themselves in (no where to go, no one to confide in, no protection from the Nazgul) it wasn't unreasonable to take a risk on Strider. In fact, in the book Frodo said he would have trusted Strider even if the letter hadn't shown up. Of course I agree that it played out quite fast in the movie and still think they should have put the letter in. But I can live without it. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

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