Tolkien wanting to make the Myth's more scientific?

afro-elf · 08-19-2002, 07:53 AM

I heard that The Professor wished to bring the early myths more into line with science. Where is this stated?

Findegil · 08-19-2002, 09:20 AM

All this intention of bringing the myths more in a line with the well known fact that the the earth isn't flat is givien in The History of Middle-Earth volume 10: Morgoth's Ring;
chapter Myhts Transformed.

Respectfully
Findegil

afro-elf · 08-19-2002, 09:29 AM

Thanks yet again.

Wayfarer · 08-20-2002, 06:33 PM

I want to know just what is meant by that... I've always found that fictions which try to classify everything scientifically tend to suck.

Ñólendil · 08-22-2002, 05:18 AM

Oh know, there's no scientific language or scientific classifications. It's just no longer supposed to be a "primitive mythology". It's a more realistic look at our world (as Tolkien's stories are supposed to take place in our world, as you know). The Sun exists long before the Earth and is the center of our solar system, and so on. If Tolkien had got around to it, the Ainulindale would still evidently have been written in the same style, with the same sort of names, it just would have been a bit different. In this "scientific" mythology, Eä is the Universe, Arda is our Solar System, and Imbar ("the Habitation") is Earth.

08-19-2002, 07:53 AM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Tolkien wanting to make the Myth's more scientific? I heard that The Professor wished to bring the early myths more into line with science. Where is this stated? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

08-19-2002, 09:29 AM	#3
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Thanks yet again. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

08-20-2002, 06:33 PM	#4
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I want to know just what is meant by that... I've always found that fictions which try to classify everything scientifically tend to suck. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

08-22-2002, 05:18 AM	#5
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Oh know, there's no scientific language or scientific classifications. It's just no longer supposed to be a "primitive mythology". It's a more realistic look at our world (as Tolkien's stories are supposed to take place in our world, as you know). The Sun exists long before the Earth and is the center of our solar system, and so on. If Tolkien had got around to it, the Ainulindale would still evidently have been written in the same style, with the same sort of names, it just would have been a bit different. In this "scientific" mythology, Eä is the Universe, Arda is our Solar System, and Imbar ("the Habitation") is Earth. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

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08-19-2002, 09:20 AM	#2
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	All this intention of bringing the myths more in a line with the well known fact that the the earth isn't flat is givien in The History of Middle-Earth volume 10: Morgoth's Ring; chapter Myhts Transformed. Respectfully Findegil