Theorys on the ending for two towers.

Sween · 08-13-2002, 10:33 AM

I look but i couldnt find this thread ne where else so i though ild start it.

What are everyone theorys for the ending of the two towers? We knows its not going to be like it is in the book. A good bet is they will Hint at Shelob in this one but i think PJ may want to save that more. I think Frodo and sam may end the movie with Farmair telling them to flee (again i know) as the black gates have opened.

As for the others It will end with the lighting of the pires asking for help. I also think we may see Aragorn looking into the platair and seeing the Armys issuing out of mordor.

I think this beacuse lets face it ROTK is going to be all action. And the Battle of plenor feilds is the important event and thats the cliffhanger PJ will want to leave us with.

BeardofPants · 08-13-2002, 03:02 PM

I think the showdown between Gandalf and Saruman might configure heavily as well. And I'm sure they'll play on the duality of these two istari, Gandalf being as Saruman should have been, etc.

Dolenloteiel · 08-15-2002, 10:22 AM

The only thing I know is that Shelob is getting ropped to RotK. Those endings sound very promising though.

cassiopeia · 08-16-2002, 03:28 AM

I think the ending will be something like this:

1. Wormtongue pushing Saruman onto a spike. Maybe with Gandalf and others watching on.

2. Frodo and Sam are in the dark, where they hear Shelob.

3. Saurons minions coming out of Barad-Dur.

viggosbeard · 08-16-2002, 06:45 AM

I think cassi has it spot on - maybe with Gandalf and pippin off to minas tirith as well ?

Nilvasaien · 08-16-2002, 10:22 AM

I think cassiopeia's on the right track; some resolution, and continued suspense for "Return of the King".

Entlover · 08-17-2002, 02:09 AM

I think it will end with a battle at Orthanc between Saruman's orcs and the Ents, then Saruman is killed in the climax.

Then Sam and Frodo watching the orcs all emerge from the Black Gate and go off to battle, then they start up the mountain to Shelob's lair -- sort of like the end of FotR.
I don't think there will be any sign of Shelob unless it's very subtle, like seeing the mouth of the cave on the mountain above.

cassiopeia · 08-17-2002, 02:12 AM

I'll remember my post after the movie comes out! I hope I'm wrong on point 1. I think that seeing Shelob (or at least her presence) is a good idea.

olsonm · 08-17-2002, 02:14 AM

I'll go out on a limb and say that Frodo won't even make it to the Morgul vale nor will we see the Dawnless Day.

BeardofPants · 08-17-2002, 03:44 AM

I know I said earlier that I hoped that the dawnless day would get snuck in, but re-reading it, I can see the time frame is all wrong. Now I'm sure that we won't see the dawnless day at all. I'm pretty sure that Cass has it figured. The sounds of shelob especially, since that was a huge foreshadowing part of that particular chapter, and perhaps they will endeavour to carry across the sense of stench as well.

olsonm · 08-17-2002, 05:41 PM

I don't think PJ will end anywhere near Shelob. That kind of ending would be cheap and would make the beggining of ROTK abrupt (at least the Frodo and Sam part). PJ has said that he isn't making a TV mini-series and he wants to avoid severe cliffhangers. If TTT has a cliffhanger it'll be more like FOTR.

Sween · 08-17-2002, 06:17 PM

Ild like to think shelob will be hinted at in two towers (ive a sneeking suspecion it may be in) Frodo and sam have quite a bit to do still if shelbob is in ROTK sams got to resuce him haul ass across mordor then destroy the ring all this might get in the way of PJ's favored stroyline of the others so they will not want to lose too much time on that. We will defintally see the Hoards issueing out of mordor. seeing as PJ does not seem to mind clearly presenting distrances properly i can see the movie ending with farmir leading his men in retreat or holding the bridge as long as they can and Aragorn and the boys are gonna be headding for the old paths of dead.

Eowyn Fan · 08-17-2002, 06:59 PM

I bet the Two Towers ends before Frodo and Sam are attacked by Shelob. The battle of helms deep is supposed to be a major feature-45 min.

BeardofPants · 08-17-2002, 09:21 PM

No, I didn't say that PJ would end with Shelob, I said that it would be hinted it... a foul odour within Cirith Ungol, or something like that. A parting shot of them walking through. Argh, all this speculation is killing me!

Olsonm: Where do you think that PJ will end off in TT for the Sam & Frodo storyline? The crossroads?

olsonm · 08-17-2002, 10:02 PM

I don't think Shelob will be hinted at. I think your example of them overcoming the smell of her lair and entering is too extreme a cliffhanger.

PJ has many options as to where to end the movie. If I were to guess I'd say: I don't think PJ will show the dawnless day. Since that happens before the Crossroads, before Morgul vale, before the Stairs of Cirith Ungol, I think it will end shortly after they leave Faramir.

I don't think PJ will introduce an element like the dawnless day that would be unexplained, and more importantly, reintroduced in ROTK. This is the same reason I suspect he won't take them up to the Morgul vale. The issueing of the Morgul horde is of the utmost importance to ROTK and it would be sensible to introduce it in the same movie.

Now, obviously PJ could alter the timing of the dawnless day. So I could be wrong.

BeardofPants · 08-17-2002, 10:06 PM

Yes, agreed, the dawnless day looks to be out, as the time table is all wrong.

I don't think that an allusion, or a hint to shelob would be completely out. I'm not talking an obvious one -- just a glance to her cave, or a sense of dread. The audience who hasn't read the book probably wouldn't notice a subtle hint like that.

And you still haven't put forward your suggestions, Olsonm.

olsonm · 08-17-2002, 10:12 PM

Yes I did. It's in my previous post: after Faramir, before the Crossroads.

BeardofPants · 08-17-2002, 10:14 PM

Whoops. So you did. Gotta stop being so blind.

olsonm · 08-17-2002, 10:16 PM

Let me add that if PJ moves the dawnless day I could see him ending it at the Crossroads.

Entlover · 08-17-2002, 10:51 PM

How's this?

5 min - recap of first movie.
15 min Strider, Legolas & Gimli meet Gandalf the White.They meet Eomer, returned from killing orcs.
15 min Merry & Pippin captives of orcs, escape, meet Treebeard.
15 min Frodo & Sam wander in Dead Marshes, meet Gollum
20 min - Gandalf rescues Theoden, inspires defense against enemy orcs,
20 min - Frodo & Sam meet Faramir, set off for Black Gate.
15 min - Treebeard organizes the Entmoot, Ents march on Isengard.
10 min muster of Rohirrim, ride to Helms Deep
45 min battle at Helm's Deep.
20 min - Gandalf rides to Orthanc, meets Pippin & Merry, offers Saruman chance to repent, he blows it and falls onto own machinery.
10 min - Frodo & Sam watch hordes march out of Black Gate, set off for mountains (& Shelob)
This is 3 hrs 10 min. What have I left out?

08-13-2002, 10:33 AM	#1
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	Theorys on the ending for two towers. I look but i couldnt find this thread ne where else so i though ild start it. What are everyone theorys for the ending of the two towers? We knows its not going to be like it is in the book. A good bet is they will Hint at Shelob in this one but i think PJ may want to save that more. I think Frodo and sam may end the movie with Farmair telling them to flee (again i know) as the black gates have opened. As for the others It will end with the lighting of the pires asking for help. I also think we may see Aragorn looking into the platair and seeing the Armys issuing out of mordor. I think this beacuse lets face it ROTK is going to be all action. And the Battle of plenor feilds is the important event and thats the cliffhanger PJ will want to leave us with. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-13-2002, 03:02 PM	#2
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I think the showdown between Gandalf and Saruman might configure heavily as well. And I'm sure they'll play on the duality of these two istari, Gandalf being as Saruman should have been, etc. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-15-2002, 10:22 AM	#3
Dolenloteiel I elenfea Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Somewhere in the chaos between the first and second ages! (Actually, CO) Posts: 556	The only thing I know is that Shelob is getting ropped to RotK. Those endings sound very promising though. __________________ "Middle Earth is a real place. And it is New Zealand." Sir Ian McKellan **************************** QUESTION AUTHORITY Ask me anything ************************** "I have not failed, I've only found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison ************************** Visit Tolkien RP Site! Need members, RP all three Ages! (UNDER CONSTRUCTION) http://elvellon.suddenlaunch2.com **************************** "Yay, I can hear the voices in my head again!

08-16-2002, 03:28 AM	#4
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I think the ending will be something like this: 1. Wormtongue pushing Saruman onto a spike. Maybe with Gandalf and others watching on. 2. Frodo and Sam are in the dark, where they hear Shelob. 3. Saurons minions coming out of Barad-Dur. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

08-16-2002, 06:45 AM	#5
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	I think cassi has it spot on - maybe with Gandalf and pippin off to minas tirith as well ? __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

08-16-2002, 10:22 AM	#6
Nilvasaien Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Either Erebor or Springfield Posts: 31	I think cassiopeia's on the right track; some resolution, and continued suspense for "Return of the King". __________________ "Somebody was bound to say it one day...I just never thought it would be her."

08-17-2002, 02:09 AM	#7
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	I think it will end with a battle at Orthanc between Saruman's orcs and the Ents, then Saruman is killed in the climax. Then Sam and Frodo watching the orcs all emerge from the Black Gate and go off to battle, then they start up the mountain to Shelob's lair -- sort of like the end of FotR. I don't think there will be any sign of Shelob unless it's very subtle, like seeing the mouth of the cave on the mountain above.

08-17-2002, 02:12 AM	#8
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I'll remember my post after the movie comes out! I hope I'm wrong on point 1. I think that seeing Shelob (or at least her presence) is a good idea. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

08-17-2002, 02:14 AM	#9
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	I'll go out on a limb and say that Frodo won't even make it to the Morgul vale nor will we see the Dawnless Day. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

08-17-2002, 03:44 AM	#10
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I know I said earlier that I hoped that the dawnless day would get snuck in, but re-reading it, I can see the time frame is all wrong. Now I'm sure that we won't see the dawnless day at all. I'm pretty sure that Cass has it figured. The sounds of shelob especially, since that was a huge foreshadowing part of that particular chapter, and perhaps they will endeavour to carry across the sense of stench as well. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-17-2002, 05:41 PM	#11
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	I don't think PJ will end anywhere near Shelob. That kind of ending would be cheap and would make the beggining of ROTK abrupt (at least the Frodo and Sam part). PJ has said that he isn't making a TV mini-series and he wants to avoid severe cliffhangers. If TTT has a cliffhanger it'll be more like FOTR. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

08-17-2002, 06:17 PM	#12
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	Ild like to think shelob will be hinted at in two towers (ive a sneeking suspecion it may be in) Frodo and sam have quite a bit to do still if shelbob is in ROTK sams got to resuce him haul ass across mordor then destroy the ring all this might get in the way of PJ's favored stroyline of the others so they will not want to lose too much time on that. We will defintally see the Hoards issueing out of mordor. seeing as PJ does not seem to mind clearly presenting distrances properly i can see the movie ending with farmir leading his men in retreat or holding the bridge as long as they can and Aragorn and the boys are gonna be headding for the old paths of dead. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-17-2002, 06:59 PM	#13
Eowyn Fan Sapling Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9	I bet the Two Towers ends before Frodo and Sam are attacked by Shelob. The battle of helms deep is supposed to be a major feature-45 min. __________________ A person who can read but does not is no better than a man who cannot read. And now I shall believe that there are unicorns. The Tempest

08-17-2002, 09:21 PM	#14
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	No, I didn't say that PJ would end with Shelob, I said that it would be hinted it... a foul odour within Cirith Ungol, or something like that. A parting shot of them walking through. Argh, all this speculation is killing me! Olsonm: Where do you think that PJ will end off in TT for the Sam & Frodo storyline? The crossroads? __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords Last edited by BeardofPants : 08-17-2002 at 09:48 PM.

08-17-2002, 10:02 PM	#15
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	I don't think Shelob will be hinted at. I think your example of them overcoming the smell of her lair and entering is too extreme a cliffhanger. PJ has many options as to where to end the movie. If I were to guess I'd say: I don't think PJ will show the dawnless day. Since that happens before the Crossroads, before Morgul vale, before the Stairs of Cirith Ungol, I think it will end shortly after they leave Faramir. I don't think PJ will introduce an element like the dawnless day that would be unexplained, and more importantly, reintroduced in ROTK. This is the same reason I suspect he won't take them up to the Morgul vale. The issueing of the Morgul horde is of the utmost importance to ROTK and it would be sensible to introduce it in the same movie. Now, obviously PJ could alter the timing of the dawnless day. So I could be wrong. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!! Last edited by olsonm : 08-17-2002 at 10:03 PM.

08-17-2002, 10:06 PM	#16
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Yes, agreed, the dawnless day looks to be out, as the time table is all wrong. I don't think that an allusion, or a hint to shelob would be completely out. I'm not talking an obvious one -- just a glance to her cave, or a sense of dread. The audience who hasn't read the book probably wouldn't notice a subtle hint like that. And you still haven't put forward your suggestions, Olsonm. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-17-2002, 10:12 PM	#17
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	Yes I did. It's in my previous post: after Faramir, before the Crossroads. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

08-17-2002, 10:14 PM	#18
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Whoops. So you did. Gotta stop being so blind. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-17-2002, 10:16 PM	#19
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	Let me add that if PJ moves the dawnless day I could see him ending it at the Crossroads. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

08-17-2002, 10:51 PM	#20
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	How's this? 5 min - recap of first movie. 15 min Strider, Legolas & Gimli meet Gandalf the White.They meet Eomer, returned from killing orcs. 15 min Merry & Pippin captives of orcs, escape, meet Treebeard. 15 min Frodo & Sam wander in Dead Marshes, meet Gollum 20 min - Gandalf rescues Theoden, inspires defense against enemy orcs, 20 min - Frodo & Sam meet Faramir, set off for Black Gate. 15 min - Treebeard organizes the Entmoot, Ents march on Isengard. 10 min muster of Rohirrim, ride to Helms Deep 45 min battle at Helm's Deep. 20 min - Gandalf rides to Orthanc, meets Pippin & Merry, offers Saruman chance to repent, he blows it and falls onto own machinery. 10 min - Frodo & Sam watch hordes march out of Black Gate, set off for mountains (& Shelob) This is 3 hrs 10 min. What have I left out?

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