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11-02-2006, 10:17 PM | #1 |
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LOTR Discussion: Appendix B - The Tale of Years
Appendix B – The Tale of Years
Introduction: Appendix A gives a broad general account of events and peoples in the historical background of Middle Earth. Appendix B however, gives very specific information on when many of these things happened. As a “chronicle of years” Appendix B can be somewhat tedious to just read straight through – but you should try it at least once. As a reference however, it’s invaluable – and it give us further glimpses of how thoroughly JRR Tolkien had developed historical Middle Earth. The Ages: First Age – We learn little more of this time here – no dates or years. Just that there was a great Battle, after which many Noldor and Sindar (Elves both) went into the Far West. Second Age – This ended with the first overthrow of Sauron and the taking of the One Ring. Third Age – This ended with the War of the Ring – but was not considered truly over until the departure of Elrond from Middle Earth. Fourth Age – This was the time for the dominion of Men and the decline of other ‘speaking peoples’ in Middle Earth. The Second Age: Narrative – We’re initially told that these years were dark times for the men of Middle Earth, but years of glory for Numenor. We’re also told of Elven Lords: Thanduil in the north of Greenwood the Great, Gil-galad in Lindon and Celeborn and Galadriel in Lorien. Galdriel is said to be sister of a “Finrod Felagund” who gave his life to save Beren. In this age some of the Noldor moved near to the Misty Mountains and founded Eregion near the Dwarven realm of Moria – for the Dwarves had found Mithril there. Celebrimbor, a descendant of Feanor, was King in Eregion. Next follows a timeline from the founding of Lindon and the Grey Havens in year 1 to the overthrow of Sauron in 3441. Note how the timeline shifts in focus. Initially it is more Elven-centered – but becomes much more centered on Numenor as the years of the Second Age progress. The Third Age: Narrative – We’re told that these are fading years for the Eldar. They wield their Three Rings, but attempt nothing new. Eventually evil begins to stir once more – and dragons come forth to plunder the ancient treasures of the Dwarves. About 1000 years into this ago, the Istari, or Wizards, arrive from the Far West – and among them are Saruman and Gandalf. The Three Elven Rings were initially in the keeping of Gil-galad, Cirdan and Galadriel. Gil-galad gave his to Elrond – and when Gandalf arrived in Lindon from the West, Cirdan gave him his own Ring to support him in his labours. Next follows a timeline from the last actions of Isildur to his death in year 2 to year 3017 when Gollum is taken by Aragorn and left in the keeping of Thranduil, and when Gandalf reads the scroll of Isildur in Minas Tirith. The dates here largely chronicle the rise and fall of Gondor. There are increased events involving Gollum, Rohan and the Dwarves in latter part. Also the births of many major characters are given - and even those of some minor ones we don’t meet in the story (like Finduilas, wife of Denethor, and Gilraen, mother of Aragorn). The Great Years: This section chronicles the main events of LOTR by exact date from Gandalf’s arrival in Hobbiton on April 12, 3018, up to the Ring’s destruction on March 25, 3019. Note that there’s a February 29 and 30 – not a mistake – we’ll get to that when we cover Appendix D. A narrative follows which gives resolution to the War of the Ring. Accounts of war at other places are given, including; Lorien, Mirkwood and Dale-Erebor. Chief Days from the Fall of the Barad-dur to the End of the Third Age: Chronicle of main events by exact date after the Ring’s destruction – from March 27, 3019, to the departure of the Ringbearers from the Havens and Sam’s return to Bag End on October 6, 3021. Later Events Concerning the Members of the Fellowship of the Ring: Chronicle of the next 120 years (in Shire Reckoning) – we learn the fates of Sam, Pippin, Merry, Eomer, Legolas & Gimli – and that Aragorn’s passing, recorded in Appendix A – had come on his 210th birthday. - - - - - - - Discussion Questions: 1. If you’re familiar with Appendix B – had you actually read through it, or just used it as a reference? 2. What, if anything, is most striking to you – as far as when it happens, or for what duration? 3. Do you notice any “clusters of activity” – lots of things happening around the same time? 4. What historical event recorded here most inspires or intrigues you? 5. ‘Fess up – did you really suspect that Gandalf wielded one of the 3 Elven Rings? 6. How does this chronology presented in Appendix B further shape your perspective or appreciation of Tolkien and/or the story?
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11-03-2006, 08:13 AM | #3 | |
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Thank you for your response and input Landroval.
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I'll hold off until you reply further or until others answer before I go on and address the issues I raised.
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11-03-2006, 03:09 PM | #4 |
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Here are some incongruences that I found reading the LotR Reader's Companion's comments on this chapter:
521 Birth in NUmenor of Silmarien - As first published this date was given as 548. It was emended in the edition of 2004. In the Line of Elros, it is said that the eldest child of Tar-Elendil "was a daughter, Silmarien, born in the year 521; and in an accompanying note, Christopher Tolkien expresses the opinion that the date 548 in The Tale of Years, which survived from the first drafts of the text, "should have been reivsed but escaped notice". 2251 Death of Tar-Atanamir: in the first publishing (I guess that's mine too) this read "Tar Atanamir takes the sceptre", but it was revised in the 2004 edition 2683 Isengrim II becomes tenth Thain: it is explained that he was the tenth Thain of the Took line; in 2340, Isumbras was already the 13th thain 2872 Belethor II of Gondor dies: it was previously dated at 2852, but listed correctly as 2872 in the list of Stewards; in HoME XII, Chris notes that it was evidently a casual error |
11-05-2006, 06:55 AM | #5 | |
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I didnt really read it straight through, I read bits and pieces here and there... I was far more interested in some of it after I had read the Silmarillion, for before that, all the references to the different elves just confused me.
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Not sad at all Jammi - at least I HOPE not - because you're not the only one!
One of us, in fact, even drooled at the prospect of taking this portion as an LOTR Discussion Project assignment! Oh - something I wanted to mention about my Question #3: Quote:
* Arthedain and Gondor's royal families are united in marriage * Gondor's King dies in battle with his sons - leaving no direct heirs. A more remote relation takes the throne. * Arthedain is destroyed by Angmar. * Angmar's army is destroyed by combined forces of Elves and Men. * The Northern Dunedain become a wandering people. * The ancestors of the Rohirrim relocate from the Vales of Anduin to what had just been the eastern part of Angmar. * The Shire halflings essentially take up self-rule. * A Balrog appears in Moria and slays two Dwarf Kings. The Dwarves flee. * Amroth and Nimrodel leave Lorien. Celeborn and Galadriel begin their rule there. * The ex-Moria Dwarves found Erebor. * The Nazgul besiege - and take - Minas Ithil and capture a palantir. * The last king of Gondor rides off to face the Witch King. The Rule of the Stewards begins. It was a MUCH different world in 2050 than it had been in 1940!
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11-17-2006, 05:40 AM | #8 |
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So, Valandil, what are you holding from us in terms of contradictions?
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Besides - I didn't plan to focus on any potential mistakes. More the overall work.
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I can’t believe I have missed this thread!
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We can see, for instance, that after forging of the One, Sauron waited for almost 100 years before saying “to Ungoliant with those pesky Elves” and going to retrieve the 19 rings. All this time Celebrimbor was doing nothing – he didn’t destroy the rings, didn’t hide them properly, didn’t summon an army to defend them, didn’t even try to forge an alliance with other Elves and Men. Looser. The entry for 1800 is intriguing: “From about this time onward the Númenoreans begin to establish dominions on the coasts. Sauron extends his power eastwards. The shadow falls on Númenor.” Why this year? Is it connected with establishing dominions on the coast? Is it connected with Sauron distributing the 9 rings? The famous 2251 entry. Tar-Atanamir either dies, or takes the sceptre but always the same year the nazgul first appear. Connection? This one was explored by Olmer, though. 3262-3319. Sauron had more than 50 years to work his charms on Ar-Pharazon… 3320-3429. 100 years of peace used to establish Gondor and Arnor. There was a heck of a lot of cities and fortresses, bridges and roads built in this very short period. How? I guess the Elendili kept the local ME population VERY busy. No wonder whole peoples deserted to Sauron at the first opportunity. 3430-3434 The Last alliance army gathers … very slowly…as is always the case with those immortal guys . Elendil awaits Gil Galad at Amon Sul, then the army takes a “short” rest in Imladris – 3 whole year – while poor Anarion desperately fights off Mordor attacks all alone. I guess Isildur did feel guilty, that’s why he ceded Gondor to his brother’s line. 109. Elrond weds Celebrían, daughter of Celeborn. Strange date. I guess E and C were well acquainted in the Second Age. So – why not wed right after the victory? Why 100 years later? Note – the coming of the Istari is not mentioned. Why? Also: Sauron’s shadow first spotted 1050, but the Istari were sent earlier (around 1000) – to fight with Sauron. How did the Valar know that Sau was about to arise? 1050. “The Wise (the Istari and the chief Eldar) discover that an evil power has made a stronghold at Dol Guldur. It is thought to be one of the Nazgûl.” Nice neighbour next door, quiet and respectable.. So they lived peacefully alongside this “nazgul” for how long? - a thousand years, until 2060, when they start to fear ”that it may be Sauron taking shape again”. Well there is more, but I will stop here. Quote:
1974-1980 is particularly interesting – The Witch-King finally becomes the King of Arnor, then looses everything, then gathers the other nazgul to try his hand in the South. Lots of rings moving around, maybe changing hands. Exactly at the same time, ol’ Barlog suddenly wakes up and wreaks a havoc. Coincidence? Another period 2941-2953 The ring is found, Gollum is now loose, Erebor freed, Smaug dead, Sauron relocates to Mordor, Orodruin is active again, the White council is no more – the World is changed again- and all this in 12 years. Quote:
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