Political Compass and Political Discussion Thread

Curufin · 03-28-2008, 09:47 AM

This is an interesting quiz:

http://www.politicalcompass.org

My score: -10, -8.15

I'm just curious to see where other people are, and curious to what they have to say about the questions...

sisterandcousinandaunt · 03-28-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Curufin

This is an interesting quiz:

http://www.politicalcompass.org

My score: -10, -8.15

I'm just curious to see where other people are, and curious to what they have to say about the questions...

You can't possibly hold the positions you do about centralized government with that place on the grid. This indicates to me that the test is badly designed.

Curufin · 03-28-2008, 09:53 AM

Ah, but I could.

As my support of centralized government comes from my Marxism, centralized government is only a means to an end...

sisterandcousinandaunt · 03-28-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Curufin

Ah, but I could.

As my support of centralized government comes from my Marxism, centralized government is only a means to an end...

The end being what? Chaos? You can't centralize government unless the people running it are smarter than the people we have.

The environment, for example. People like to complain that their representatives aren't green enough, and if they were electing people at large, there'd be green ones. But areas with depressed economies compete for the right to install landfills. With a system of at large delegates we have no reason at ALL not to dump anything and everything in the Black Hills. No one needs that vote to pass a spending bill.

Curufin · 03-28-2008, 10:08 AM

You make good points, but as my brain feels like an omelet today, and my body feels as if someone has put it through a clothes-wringer, I'll leave off my reply until later.

Let me just make the quick point that it is because of centralized government that school segregation (via Brown v. Board of Education (1954)) is illegal, and because of DE-centralized government that they're teaching Creationism (or were) in biology classes in Kansas.

There are pros and cons to everything...

Deeper than that, my brain's not letting me go today.

sisterandcousinandaunt · 03-28-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Curufin

You make good points, but as my brain feels like an omelet today, and my body feels as if someone has put it through a clothes-wringer, I'll leave off my reply until later.

Let me just make the quick point that it is because of centralized government that school segeration (via Brown v. Board of Education (1954)) is illegal, and because of DE-centralized government that they're teaching Creationism (or were) in biology classes in Kansas.

There are pros and cons to everything...

Deeper than that, my brain's not letting me go today.

I'll let you off the hook today.

But, fair warning, if you want to debate education policy, I'll never, ever stop. It's not my most attractive side.

Curufin · 03-28-2008, 10:12 AM

Well, as I freely admit that's not my strongest suit, I won't go there.

hectorberlioz · 03-28-2008, 10:16 AM

That's me.

Some of those questions were genuinely asinine! How am I supposed to choose between the importance of Bussinessmen and Artists?

sisterandcousinandaunt · 03-28-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Some of those questions were genuinely asinine! How am I supposed to choose between the importance of Bussinessmen and Artists?

Smart ones of either chose the opposite.

hectorberlioz · 03-28-2008, 10:52 AM

So I did the right thing

. I am of the artistic inclination, and I chose bussiness.

sisterandcousinandaunt · 03-28-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

So I did the right thing

. I am of the artistic inclination, and I chose bussiness.

Very wise.

**Mari** · 03-28-2008, 11:53 AM

However, there were many instances were I felt that the statement was incomplete, or that I felt this way IF or WHEN this and that.
I wonder if I can use this knowledge in my politics class...

sisterandcousinandaunt · 03-28-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mari

However, there were many instances were I felt that the statement was incomplete, or that I felt this way IF or WHEN this and that.
I wonder if I can use this knowledge in my politics class...

Not sure about your school, but if you walked into a class I was teaching with info based on a facebook application, you'd be fortunate if all I did was shower you in hatching eggs.

**Mari** · 03-28-2008, 12:23 PM

No no, I meant knowing where I was supposed to be on the scales. I never did understand the difference between left and right, so perhaps it'll help remembering. But then again I have trouble understanding the difference between conservatives and liberalists too.

But if I could get someone to shower me with hatching eggs that have cute kitties in them just by walking into a class with FB info, I think I might try that

KITTIES! Yay!

The Gaffer · 03-28-2008, 12:46 PM

I think there may be another thread on this a while ago, and they have a more recent version which maps you to US candidates.

Anyway, I was -8 to the left, -6 to the libertarian. Lotsa lovely commies round here!

Away ye go, siscuz, you paper tiger reactionary running dog you.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-28-2008, 01:48 PM

-4.62 to the Left, and -1.54 to the Lib.

Whoa! WAY more left-leaning than I expected. I guess they put more emphasis on economic and international questions than on moral and religious ones.

*waves to Mari* we seem to be in the same general neighbourhood.

**Mari** · 03-28-2008, 01:57 PM

*waves back*

Yes, it was fairly moderate on religious questions. A lot of emphasis on multinationals and their behaviour though.

hectorberlioz · 03-28-2008, 02:13 PM

I was surprised as to how "almost in the middle" my point was. I was expecting to be lumped with Hitler.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-28-2008, 02:15 PM

Naw, you have to be at LEAST a paleo-con to get lumped with Hitler.

**Mari** · 03-28-2008, 02:24 PM

Who wants to be with Hitler anyway? He had a creepy moustache...

03-28-2008, 09:47 AM	#1
Curufin The Ñoldóran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 2,050	Political Compass and Political Discussion Thread This is an interesting quiz: http://www.politicalcompass.org My score: -10, -8.15 I'm just curious to see where other people are, and curious to what they have to say about the questions... __________________ Then Celegorm no more would stay, And Curufin smiled and turned away... ~The Lay of Leithian

03-28-2008, 09:53 AM	#3
Curufin The Ñoldóran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 2,050	Ah, but I could. As my support of centralized government comes from my Marxism, centralized government is only a means to an end... __________________ Then Celegorm no more would stay, And Curufin smiled and turned away... ~The Lay of Leithian

03-28-2008, 10:08 AM	#5
Curufin The Ñoldóran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 2,050	You make good points, but as my brain feels like an omelet today, and my body feels as if someone has put it through a clothes-wringer, I'll leave off my reply until later. Let me just make the quick point that it is because of centralized government that school segregation (via Brown v. Board of Education (1954)) is illegal, and because of DE-centralized government that they're teaching Creationism (or were) in biology classes in Kansas. There are pros and cons to everything... Deeper than that, my brain's not letting me go today. __________________ Then Celegorm no more would stay, And Curufin smiled and turned away... ~The Lay of Leithian Last edited by Curufin : 03-28-2008 at 10:11 AM.

03-28-2008, 10:12 AM	#7
Curufin The Ñoldóran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 2,050	Well, as I freely admit that's not my strongest suit, I won't go there. __________________ Then Celegorm no more would stay, And Curufin smiled and turned away... ~The Lay of Leithian

03-28-2008, 10:16 AM	#8
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	That's me. Some of those questions were genuinely asinine! How am I supposed to choose between the importance of Bussinessmen and Artists? __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

03-28-2008, 10:52 AM	#10
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	So I did the right thing. I am of the artistic inclination, and I chose bussiness. __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

03-28-2008, 11:53 AM	#12
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	However, there were many instances were I felt that the statement was incomplete, or that I felt this way IF or WHEN this and that. I wonder if I can use this knowledge in my politics class... __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

03-28-2008, 12:23 PM	#14
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	No no, I meant knowing where I was supposed to be on the scales. I never did understand the difference between left and right, so perhaps it'll help remembering. But then again I have trouble understanding the difference between conservatives and liberalists too. But if I could get someone to shower me with hatching eggs that have cute kitties in them just by walking into a class with FB info, I think I might try that KITTIES! Yay! __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"... Last edited by Mari : 03-28-2008 at 12:25 PM.

03-28-2008, 12:46 PM	#15
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	I think there may be another thread on this a while ago, and they have a more recent version which maps you to US candidates. Anyway, I was -8 to the left, -6 to the libertarian. Lotsa lovely commies round here! Away ye go, siscuz, you paper tiger reactionary running dog you.

03-28-2008, 01:48 PM	#16
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	-4.62 to the Left, and -1.54 to the Lib. Whoa! WAY more left-leaning than I expected. I guess they put more emphasis on economic and international questions than on moral and religious ones. waves to Mari we seem to be in the same general neighbourhood. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle Last edited by Gwaimir Windgem : 03-28-2008 at 01:50 PM.

03-28-2008, 01:57 PM	#17
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	waves back Yes, it was fairly moderate on religious questions. A lot of emphasis on multinationals and their behaviour though. __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

03-28-2008, 02:13 PM	#18
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	I was surprised as to how "almost in the middle" my point was. I was expecting to be lumped with Hitler. __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

03-28-2008, 02:15 PM	#19
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Naw, you have to be at LEAST a paleo-con to get lumped with Hitler. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-28-2008, 02:24 PM	#20
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Who wants to be with Hitler anyway? He had a creepy moustache... __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...