12-07-2006, 10:43 AM | #1 |
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Entwhat? Where's the debate?
Right, something is amiss here. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark and I'm not talking about the cheese.
What's happened to the discussion? What's happened to the arguments? This board use to have a bit of spunk about it! Have we all taken chill pills? Right then lads and lasses, shall we? 1. Hitler was, while a bad man, a bonifide genius and quite brilliant in many of his endeavours. 2. Terrorists are not just crazed madmen, they have legitimate concerns to be angry about. 3. The United States form of democracy is fundamentally flawed, and is not the best form of represntative government. Discuss!
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12-07-2006, 10:47 AM | #2 |
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1. "Many of his endeavours." Define.
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12-07-2006, 11:19 AM | #3 | |
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Utterly defeated, starving and bankrupt in 1919: Conquering Europe in 1939, with a massive military and economic structure to back it up. It's really impressive, however you look at it. A similar thing can be said about the Japanese (a backwards civilisation that modernised incredibly rapidly so as to sink almost the entire US Fleet and conquer most of s.e. Asia) Well, that’s just one "endeavour". Let’s start with that.
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2. the terrorist problem is really about a culture clash, the history of jihad in america is quite long and interesting. Sorry I don't have time to discuss it Classes.
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12-07-2006, 01:24 PM | #5 |
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3. Hells yeah!
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12-07-2006, 07:54 PM | #7 |
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I would debate the "bona fide" bit, as I'm not sure if "good faith" can be ascribed to such activities.
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12-07-2006, 09:45 PM | #9 |
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No comment...
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Fenir! You're back!
What do you mean "no debate" - there always seems to be a debate about gay marriage around here. Sure, Hitler turned the defunct German economy around, but what does it matter since he used his power to murder about 10 million people, and almost destroyed Germany again. What's a robust economy when compared to the lives of millions?
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My bad. So there it is - he rendered his economic accomplishments meaningless by destroying the country and murdering millions of people.
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Some terrorists are simply nuts, and some have a legitemate complaint, and some are both. There would certainly be other factors at work as well. It's too complicated to simply say terrorists are nuts/not nuts.
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12-08-2006, 09:26 AM | #13 |
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Good point on Hitler. It shows that economic / material success alone is no way to gauge the success of human systems.
On the lack of debate, I put it down to a number of things. Not least of which is how we won the argument on Iraq: events have proven us to be correct. Unfortunately, the neocons NEVER acknowledge mistakes and, when there's no possibility of doublethinking their way out of it, just ignore it and go on about something else. Therefore there can be no meaningful discussion about the way forward until the neocons are fully consigned to the dustbin of history. |
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12-08-2006, 01:31 PM | #15 |
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Hey, come on, Gaffer. I'm not admitting that the argument for the war in Iraq is weak when I say this, but I will comment that I have only once seen a liberal admit defeat on any issue, no matter how thoroughly his or her arguments are pulled to pieces. That particular liberal who did admit defeat once only did so on a rather insignificant issue, also.
There's no way you can just blame that on "neocons." It's everybody.
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12-08-2006, 08:58 PM | #16 |
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It's not a question of admitting defeat. It's a question of how you approach a situation.
Liberals generally approach issues with an open mind, trying to find the solutions by examining the problem pragmatically. If one solution doesn't work, they try another. It's the essence of democracy. Conservatives generally approach issues with their solutions already set in stone, be they from theology or ideology, and the "problem" from their point of view, is getting everyone in step with what they see as the only solution. Hitler, and facism for that matter, is an example of extreme conservatism.
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12-08-2006, 09:09 PM | #17 |
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Well... if by open-minded you mean to all but conservative ideas.
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BeardofPants, huh? More like, "BeardofnoPants"! Get a job, Beard! Anyway, Im with Val (gotta stay on topic, I suppose)
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