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Two Towers: Shelob
In the two towers book they say that Shelob is the most dangerous moster ever, but when Sam fights her he doen't get a scrach on him(or so it says). Any reasons? And by the way, I have lord of the rings smileys here. Go ahead and add them. http://s7.invisionfree.com/Gamerchea...t&CODE=00&f=15
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Hello there Farimir!
You might want to indroduce your self in the Welcome thread in the General Forum. Also i think this may be moved and closed to the movie forum. If you have comments on the film there is a already a thread to make such statements. Welcome though! ![]()
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![]() ![]() Oh - and Farimir - I don't know... maybe Sam just got lucky? Maybe he got some divine protection?
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Meh silly me.
Thot he was comparing the book to how in the film Sam still looks he just came out of 'make up'. ![]() Ps. Easy Val! ![]()
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Where did you read that Shelob was the most dangerous monster ever? I found in page 707 the first description about her, and didn't find that she was the most dangerous ever.
She was dangerous still, and I also think as Val, that Sam was( ![]() |
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The Phil of Galadril would mabye have protected him, so your right. Thanks!
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Well, I remember it saying that somwhere. Right now, I'm only on the Return of the King(The Passing of the Grey company)
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Well, I cant think of any other dangerous monster( exept Nazgul)
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How about the Watcher in the Water, and were the wolves that attacked the Fellowship magical and/or werewolves?
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Well he was a gardener, so maybe he just knew how to kill pesky spiders easily.
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I suppose Shelob underestimated Samwise the Brave. She hadn't been confronted and denied a prey for a very long time, possibly longer than she could remember. She was so used being fed and taking on solitary prey that she didn't expect any opposition. Least of all by a tiny tasty titbit.
![]() Above that Samwise was armed with the phial and the starlight in it. Shelob hadn't seen such a light in a very long time. In a way it's an odd kind of justice that the brood of Ungoliant, who destroyed the light of the Trees, was brought to defeat by that same light that had been caught in Eärendil's Silmaril.
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Originally posted by Earniel
In a way it's an odd kind of justice that the brood of Ungoliant, who destroyed the light of the Trees, was brought to defeat by that same light that had been caught in Eärendil's Silmaril. ________________________ Very good! (Wish I had thought of that). I wonder if Tolkien did that deliberately (even though he didn't know if much of his mythology would ever be published) or if it was just a coincidence, as some would call it.
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Mabye I read it wrong. And yes, Balrogs are defintly mor dangerous.
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hmmm,
maybe, it was the fate of Sam, to wounded Shelop. Imho, Tolkien worked often with the fate and the act of fate. (why, calls the spider at enlish Shelop an at german Kankra?) And, like Earniel say, Shelop underestimated Sam and Sam was littel und to this time very angry and that gave him the brav. Nimbrethil
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So it turns out to be a mystery.
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It might have something to do with Shelob's eating habits- she wouldn't want to hurt Sam in any other way than to sting him at first; why would she want to scratch him and risk him bleeding to death, therefore making him an untasty meal? After the light came out, she was half-blind, so you get the impression that she was striking in the dark with no idea where Sam was, so he could easily dodge her. Then, when she finally realized he was underneath her, she poked herself in the belly.
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