05-22-2002, 08:51 AM | #1 |
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what are your thoughts on faramir?
I seen him as aragorn would have been as a young man had he been raised in gondor and not in the wilds aragorn is the Capt the enterprise and faramior is the perfect #! to me they are really the same person that tolkien split in two
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05-22-2002, 09:04 AM | #2 |
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I agree with you, Afro-elf
I think that Faramir has greatness in him, but he was overshadowed by Boromir and didn't face the challanges that develop greater strength of character, as Aragorn did throughout his life. In otherwords I feel that Faramir was slow to mature, but rose to the challenge when he had to. I also sense that he was more 'cerebral' and compassionate than his brother, and therefore, ultimately more suitable for leadership. I'm not familiar with the Star Trek series, but I get the gist of your analogy.
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05-22-2002, 01:28 PM | #3 |
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I think Faramir grew up in his brothers shadow, learning and doing all that was required of him, and of course he grew up as a great warrior being that he had an older brother that excelled in weaponry. Faramir was more into the lore I believe also.
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05-22-2002, 02:26 PM | #4 |
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I have always wondered about Denethor favoring Boromir, because both sons wer obviously brave and great men. I suppose that when Faramir showed an interest in learning from Gandalf, Denethor was disgusted.
Was the old man just arrogant? What did he have against wizards? And was it only the influence of Sauron in the palantir that made him scoff at Aragorn's claim to the kingship? Or is that just arrogance as well?
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05-22-2002, 05:23 PM | #6 |
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it says in many places that the blood of numenor ran more truly in faramir(when i say that i mean he was more like his numenorean ancestors than boromir). The stewards came fromt he house of hurin (the numenorean hurin). that would explain somewhat of their similar character
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05-22-2002, 06:27 PM | #7 |
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I always thought of Faramir was more of a person who dislikes battle but does it to protect those he holds dear. To me he seems to be calm good hearted and good character. He also seemed to me to be much more controled than his brother and softer.
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05-24-2002, 01:40 PM | #9 |
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Denethor favored Boromir because he was less complicated than Faramir. Boromir was a warrior, and in Denethor's thats what was needed in Gondor's hour of need, Faramir spent too much time with history and thought (at least in Denethor's mind). All this means is Boromir probably was the better general, but Faramir would be the better leader.
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05-24-2002, 02:56 PM | #10 |
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I liked Faramir, I think he is very similar to Aragorn in few ways.Faramir grew and he always was the second to Borumir, he isn't proud as Boromir is.
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05-25-2002, 12:04 AM | #11 |
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Faramir...yes, I think he was much more complicated than Boromir, and probably wiser, even though he was younger. The type of man that doesn't look forward to war, but does it when it is needed...and still realizes that 'fighting for peace' is an oxymoron.
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05-25-2002, 01:37 AM | #12 |
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I was discussing Faramir with a friend a couple of weeks ago and we both agreed that he was a complex and understated character.
He had the seeds of greatness in him, no doubt, and he did indeed rise to the challange when needed. I loved the way he was so courteous with Eowyn too, especially when he thought she might still be in love with Aragorn.
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05-25-2002, 02:41 PM | #13 |
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i agree
Faramir was one of the nobelest and honost character in the book. He wasent afraid to admit he hated things or that he liked things.
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05-25-2002, 03:31 PM | #14 |
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Hopefully this hasn't been brought up yet. I wanted to say that in a letter, Tolkien said that of all the characters in the Lord of the Rings, Faramir is most like himself, except, he said, "in bravery".
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05-25-2002, 03:41 PM | #15 |
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Faramir is my favorite character in the books, and he's onw of the best anywhere.
He could probobly get away with a spin-off book of his own, I suspect.
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Faramir's judgement after the "rabbits..." capture was wise for his position relative to his brother. I felt reading RotK that Denethor valued Boromir's "blind" loyalty over all his other qualities. This may have exacerbated Boromir's fatal decision.
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faramir is a GREAT warrior recall eowyn's remark that NO man of the mark could have defeated him
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06-01-2002, 08:23 AM | #19 |
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I concur to most of the statements above...
Faramir is in my signature and overall is one of my favourite characters... Strong, thoughtful, noble and dignified he was much more empathic than Boromir...although I liked Boromir too. I always thought of Faramir as the kind that the soldiers below him looked up to, a leader they could relate to and trust absolutely. Faramir is a man that could inspire whole armies to rise up and give themselves pride.
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Boromir, however is quite a paradox. On the surface we see an arrogant warrior with every reason to feel secure in his strength. He is his father's favourite, a fabled warrior and the trusted emissary of Gondor during the Council of Elrond.
Boromir is concerned for his people but clings to what power he can grasp. He refuses to recognise Aragon as being the 39th descendant of Isildur until his dying moment, far too eager to remain an important man in Gondorian society. He looks down on his brother somewhat though...I'm really just thinking aloud here.
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