02-17-2006, 03:08 PM | #1 |
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Turin & Hurin
Between them they destroyed Nargothrond, Doriath and Gondolin in 15 years. It just shows that you should avoid getting on the wrong end of a curse of morgoth.
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02-17-2006, 03:20 PM | #2 |
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but out of those great sorrows came good also, just think what might have happened if glorfindel had not died and then came back in the third age.
if glorfindel had not died in the first age, and had gone to valinor, frodo might never have made it to rivendell, sauron (or maybe Wikkie) would have gained the ring, unless of course Arwen rode out to meet aragorn and the hobbits (die PJ ) |
02-17-2006, 03:49 PM | #3 | |
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However, if it weren't for Hurin to guard the Pass of Sirion, then there would have been no Earendil, no war of wrath, etc; as Huor said in "Of the Fifth Battle", Silmarillion:
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02-17-2006, 04:03 PM | #4 |
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Yes I agree with Landroval. It was also Hurin who showed Morgoth that not all men feared him. Up to that point men had done as Morgoth had said and because of that men seemed to think they were cursed (Athrabeth).
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02-18-2006, 05:16 AM | #6 | |
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02-18-2006, 10:49 AM | #9 | |
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02-18-2006, 10:51 AM | #10 |
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So surely it was Thingol and the Dwarves fault. If not then why not include Beren in the above list?
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
02-18-2006, 10:57 AM | #11 |
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surely, you can just blame everything on Eru? or at the least manwe and melkor's sibling rivalry?!!
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05-20-2006, 11:12 AM | #12 |
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remind me how either hurin or turin managed to bring down gondolin
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Hurin desired to see Turgon, after his release; unaware that he was being watched, he went to the Old Way of Escape and called on the king.
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05-21-2006, 05:52 AM | #14 |
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thanks for reminding me . is that quote from the HoME books because i don't remember it being in the silmarillion.
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05-21-2006, 07:03 AM | #15 |
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It's in the Silmarillion alright, chapter 22 .
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05-23-2006, 11:35 AM | #16 |
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have just re-read it and it is in there. thanks for reminding me
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