10-14-2005, 05:32 PM | #1 |
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If the ring had to be distroyed in order for sauron to die, how can he not know it still exists (since he is alive?)
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10-14-2005, 07:35 PM | #2 | ||
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Maybe he didn't realize exactly how dependent he was on it. IOW, Elrond figured it out, but Sauron didn't necessarily.
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yeah, sort of like me i thought i could do a day without caffeine; but that didn't work out too well actually i'm off it now, but it was tough
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10-14-2005, 11:47 PM | #5 |
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But he did know it existed. Why else would he send out his wraiths? For a short period, he went into a state of "unconsciousness", when Gollum went into the caves. When he awakened, he immediately realized that the Ring existed.
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10-17-2005, 11:46 AM | #6 |
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**right-t-o, Curubethion, a well put post.
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12-11-2005, 10:01 PM | #7 |
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indeed!
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12-12-2005, 12:12 PM | #8 |
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Hey, DB , you took two months to reply to this posting......great....Now I feel better when I miss a few days.
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12-12-2005, 09:56 PM | #9 |
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well no, see, the trivias and such are more important, so by the time i go down my list of priorities and i'm just raring to go here [jibe at spock] i have to leave...
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12-12-2005, 10:03 PM | #10 | |
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I think he knew but was waiting to gather what stringth he had first.
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12-12-2005, 10:10 PM | #11 |
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yea, let's go with that...
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Sauron would be sleeping while the rest of ME went about its merry way. Maybe Olmer could enlighten us with some alternate theories. (His theories were interesting since they had some plausibility based on the text.) Perhaps the Elves will try to get the ring lost underground? Then they could enjoy the benefits of their three rings in peace.
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12-13-2005, 10:18 AM | #14 |
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sauron is a ainu... as such, he cannot "die"... that said, he put much of his soul into the ring to make it powerful
he recovered very quickly from his first "death" when numenor sank... most likely because he had left his ring in barad-dur and was able to immediately access it after he lost his body... his second "death" (to the last alliance) took longer for him to recover from since he did not have access to his ring afterward... but, he was still able to eventually rebuild a body, so one would assume that hiding the ring would have done no good while there are certainly points in time where he kept a low-profile, i'm not sure if sauron was ever actually "unconcious"
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12-13-2005, 11:46 AM | #15 |
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Does the ring remind anyone else of the Horcruxes in Harry Potter? It's so close to Sauron that he lives as long as it survives, and Voldemort lives as long as his horcruxes survive....
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12-14-2005, 01:02 AM | #17 |
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Yeah, I would say it's the other way around, Merenwen. In fact, I read a book based on the legend of Koschei the Deathless (The Firebird, by Mercedes Lackey) right before Harry Potter 6 came out and had a suspicion that Voldemort might be using some object to preserve his soul like Koschei and Sauron did.
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12-14-2005, 08:46 PM | #19 |
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i just read that russian story...wasn't too bad...
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